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Subject: PAK-FA article on Russian language Popular Mechanics
SlowMan    10/22/2009 10:32:59 PM


 
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1)  Can hope for 10-15% PAKFA advantage over F-22 due to two decades of tech. development.

2)      F-22 detects Su35 from the distance of 150-180 km but can open fire from 110 km, while becomes visible for Su-35's radar by itself and on R-77 range of attack.




3)      OLS-35 probably detects Raptor on 100 km distance.


4)      PAKFA's AESA radar has probably 1526 modules with overall power 18 KWt. Range for a big air target – 400. TWS/A = 60/16.


5)      Active antennas in the wings and tail are probable.  


6)      OLS with 360 deg.


7)      Backward attacking missiles.


8)      Has up to 12 Air-to-air missiles (if compact) in internal placement.


9)      Two internal bays for WLRAAMs and LRAAMs up to 700 kg each. + 2 bays for short range missiles.


10)  While Raptor can have up to 8 missiles in the internal bays.


11)  WLRAAM 'Izdelie 810'  is MiG-31 R-33 derivative. 400 km.


12)  LRAAM 'Izdelie-180PD' is air-breath R-77 derivative. 250 km.


13)  'Izdelie-180' – solid-fuel R-77 derivative 110-140 km. With active and passive radar, homing on jammer.


14)  Short range AAM – 'Izdelie-300' or K-MD IR matrix, double range of homing.


15)  Kh-58UShKE


16)  Kh-35


17)  500 kg guided and unguided bombs and cassette munition.


18)  Intrafuselage cathapults UVKU-50L – up to 300 kg, UVKU-50U – up to 700 kg.


19)  Internal bays total weight 2.000 kg


20)  With + external hardpoints – 6.000 kg.


21)  GSh-30 30 mm autocannon.


22)  According to the plans – 430 planes must be built for RuAF.


23)  Probably price $80 mil.


24)  Will replace 339 Su-27 and 300 MiG-31


 
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qrlos       10/26/2009 8:00:44 AM
As I am just recently diving into the world of military aviation and am currently pretty (extremely) unknowledgeable, there are a few questions that have been nagging at me.  The one that I read someone touching on at this little boardmeeting isn't really much of a "google-able" question and the answer is probably more opinion than fact related.  And...since some of you seem to know a hell of a lot more than me and are brimming full with opinions too....what is behind the lack of rear-facing defenses/missles, etc.  or not even rear facing but, well...why would we limit our most advanced planes to have to point the nose in the direction of our intended target?
 
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warpig       10/26/2009 9:35:10 AM

what is behind the lack of rear-facing defenses/missles, etc.  or not even rear facing but, well...why would we limit our most advanced planes to have to point the nose in the direction of our intended target?

As far as I know, no one has been able so far to solve the aerodynamic problems with launching missiles in a direction significantly off the aircraft's velocity axis.  Missiles launched to the rear are not sufficiently stable enough in the initial portion of their flight to remain in controlled flight.
It's true that most aircraft still have to point in the general direction of the target.  In general this is because of the need for some sensor on the launch aircraft (virtually always the airborne intercept radar) to track the target and pass information to the missile or otherwise enable the missile to track and hit the target.  These sensors have a limited field-of-view, and thus only cover a sector to the front of the launch aircraft (although the F-35 is changing that to some degree).  However, there are advances in High-angle Off-Boresight sighting systems and missiles that do/will allow the engagement envelope to be extended far to the sides and even to the rear.  This includes things like Helmet Mounted Sights, missiles with extremely wide gimbal limits to their seekers to allow a lock on to targets well to the side/above/below the launch aircraft, and missiles with a datalink capability that allows the launch aircraft to launch a missile without first achieving a lock-on to the target, and then to send updates to the missile in flight so it can achieve a Lock On After Launch.
 
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Nichevo       10/26/2009 11:47:16 PM
Gee, I'd like to see some detailing of the craft's belly, of the intakes for instance, and where these bays would go.  I'd also like to see a valid treatment of the tail, which this isn't.  And I believe it is expected that Meteor, AIM-120-NEXT, JDRADM will wipe the thick-lipped smirks off some faces at Vympel.
 
OTOH, I do believe that air forces should be looking at countermissile technology.  Unless the US solution is DEW, we certainly should be working on it... at least it would seem to pay off in facing the S-X00 threat; a missile the size of a house should be easily acquired and not too hard to engage - after all you know where it's going! ;>
 
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Hamilcar    Rear aspect   10/27/2009 12:14:35 AM
1. Part of the reason is that you can dodge more easily turning into the pirsuit than by trying to rin from it. If you just run, then it just corrects lead and run s you down, if it has the energy.  If it doesn't then why worry about a dodge or shoot at it>
 
2. Another part of the reason, is that missile versus missile in a four body problem is tough enough in head on pass or stern chase. Suppose you want to shoot at a chase missile while you run from it? Not efficient: its easier and more successful to run the chase missile out of potential energy or to use countermeasures either physical or electronic to decoy it away.
 
3. You also have load to consider. How much mass do you give over to a defensive missile system? The more you point weaponry backwards at an enemy, the less you have for OFFENSE. The whole purpose of a fighter is OFFENSE.   
 
4. The launch of a missile into a jet plume, others mentioned. If you use IR defensive missiles which the Russians tried, it doesn't work to well as the seekers fry. Even the radar homers didn't like the heat wash, not to mention that the missiles fell out of control from the plume's turbulence.
 
 

 
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sentinel28a       10/27/2009 3:22:40 AM
The Wiki article that I used as a reference has some pics of the technology demonstrators, and some shots of a mostly-completed prototype.  Granted, it's Wikipedia, but the article had some solid links, so it may not have fallen to fanboyitis.
 
 
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