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Subject: Dassault VP : Rafale's successor will join Eurofighter Consortium-like Euro Consortium.
SlowMan    10/19/2009 4:07:06 PM
New York Times article < link > "Dassault appears to be thinking along the same lines. Eric Trappier, executive vice president at Dassault Aviation, said that Rafale?s ?successor will probably be designed through a European cooperation, from 2025.? " So this is the end of all-French fighter aircraft.
 
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usajoe1    FS   10/20/2009 6:40:37 PM
usajoe , I don 't believe you .
 
LOL!  what are you talking about you fool??? You sound like a first grader.
 
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Bluewings12       10/20/2009 6:40:59 PM
FS for God sake , stop answering to "doublejack" !
Do you realize that he is quoting F. Mitterand in 1987 ??! 
He even say that the Rafale M F3 is a bad striker ??! Give up FS , give up ...
 
Cheers .
 
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jackjack       10/20/2009 6:44:42 PM

In 1990, when the Gulf War, even François Mitterrand would have regretted this choice: "I acknowledge that I made a grave mistake. I should opt for the F - 18. Today, I would favor the purchase of United States, even if this would displease Mr. Dassault """""



It was indeed a mistake since we have our carriers without a decent air defense fighter during 15 years until Rafale F1 IOC came in 2003.

We should have purchased 40 F18 in 1990.


well it looks like its still a good idea to get fa-18's
 
english wiki

""""Initially the Rafale B was to be just a trainer, but Gulf War and Kosovo experience showed that a second crewmember is invaluable on strike and reconnaissance missions, and therefore more Rafale Bs were ordered, replacing some Rafale Cs. 60% of the aircraft will be two seaters. A similar decision was made by the Navy, who initially did not have a two-seat aircraft on order; the program nevertheless was stopped"""" 
 

it seems obvious that the single seat naval model will never be a good striker
 
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french stratege       10/20/2009 6:47:07 PM
Again, France may not have seen this as a priority but foreign coustomers did.
HMS is available.Sagem one (with additonal funding) or Elbit one (less expansive).
What F22 pilots think about having no HMS?
 
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usajoe1       10/20/2009 6:47:53 PM
well it looks like its still a good idea to get fa-18's
 
No it is not. France only has one carrier and already has Rafales. It makes no sense to buy SH now.
 
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usajoe1       10/20/2009 6:52:40 PM
 
Again, France may not have seen this as a priority but foreign coustomers did.
HMS is available.Sagem one (with additonal funding) or Elbit one (less expansive).

I'm not talking about now.


What F22 pilots think about having no HMS?
 
Two things about the Raptor and HMS.
 
1) The Raptor is not for export.
 
2) It was still a mistake not to have a HMS. Just like it was a mistake for the F-4 not to have guns in the early 60's.
 
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jackjack       10/20/2009 6:56:41 PM

In 1990, when the Gulf War, even François Mitterrand would have regretted this choice: "I acknowledge that I made a grave mistake. I should opt for the F - 18. Today, I would favor the purchase of United States, even if this would displease Mr. Dassault """""



It was indeed a mistake since we have our carriers without a decent air defense fighter during 15 years until Rafale F1 IOC came in 2003.

We should have purchased 40 F18 in 1990.


well it looks like its still a good idea to get fa-18's
 
english wiki

""""Initially the Rafale B was to be just a trainer, but Gulf War and Kosovo experience showed that a second crewmember is invaluable on strike and reconnaissance missions, and therefore more Rafale Bs were ordered, replacing some Rafale Cs. 60% of the aircraft will be two seaters. A similar decision was made by the Navy, who initially did not have a two-seat aircraft on order; the program nevertheless was stopped"""" 
 

it seems obvious that the single seat naval model will never be a good striker
 
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jackjack       10/20/2009 7:05:28 PM
sorry about the double post,
your navy considers the single seat substandard and wanted a back seat...go figgure
 
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jackjack       10/20/2009 10:31:28 PM

The dual band OSF1 of Sagem is obsolescent because better IR chips exist now to get dual band.

So a new OSF2 will be procured later( in 2012?).



i think you mean the osf-ng and it seems it was to be 2009 but is going out to 2014. from what i saw it isnt going to be infra red and only tv
the irst will be done with the damocles
 
now if you have a creditable link to show different, i'd like to see it
 
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Alexis       10/21/2009 7:36:42 AM

HMS is available.Sagem one (with additonal funding) or Elbit one (less expansive).

 



It's not clear that the Elbit option would be the less expensive. Integration into the aircraft's cockpit would be more difficult than for the Sagem HMS because of the Elbit using EM to track the position of the pilot's head instead of IR sensors like the Sagem, adding to cost and probably delay.
 
 
 
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