usajoe :

What a suprise BW rates the rafale the worlds second best fighter, and of course the Typhoon is vastly inferior.
Why it needs AESA wait a minute fuck me so does the rafale, and it needs long ranged missiles, such as AMRAAM or METEOR perhaps, (meteor being a uk german missile.

AESA for the typhoon is as per the rafale in development but back burnered as its not required against current threats.

Do you know im finaly naused off with youe rafale = uber  and feet stamping if anyone insults it whilst you spout shite about other aircraft

 

lets analise a few recent claims on other threads

1 rafale is the only aircraft that can passivley detect thanks to OSF,  A OSF is only on earlier rafales asits obsolete and hasnt beenreplaced and B typhoon and many others have irst

 

2 Rafale is a much better strike aircraft. I cant disagree and it probably allways will be any superiority the typhoon has will probably down to weapons integration (more types)

 

3 RCS I am willing to concede the rafale probably has a slightly smaller rcs than the typhoon given shape and size if we ignore the huge radar reflector to the stbd side of the cockpit, it isnt ram coated (if it is i wouldnt use it thats for sure)

this advantage is not so great as to offset the advantage afforded by the captor. Its a good to excellent radar.

 

 

What a suprise BW rates the rafale the worlds second best fighter, and of course the Typhoon is vastly inferior.
Why it needs AESA wait a minute fuck me so does the rafale, and it needs long ranged missiles, such as AMRAAM or METEOR perhaps, (meteor being a uk german missile.

AESA for the typhoon is as per the rafale in development but back burnered as its not required against current threats.

Do you know im finaly naused off with youe rafale = uber  and feet stamping if anyone insults it whilst you spout shite about other aircraft

 

lets analise a few recent claims on other threads

1 rafale is the only aircraft that can passivley detect thanks to OSF,  A OSF is only on earlier rafales asits obsolete and hasnt beenreplaced and B typhoon and many others have irst

 

2 Rafale is a much better strike aircraft. I cant disagree and it probably allways will be any superiority the typhoon has will probably down to weapons integration (more types)

 

3 RCS I am willing to concede the rafale probably has a slightly smaller rcs than the typhoon given shape and size if we ignore the huge radar reflector to the stbd side of the cockpit, it isnt ram coated (if it is i wouldnt use it thats for sure)

this advantage is not so great as to offset the advantage afforded by the captor. Its a good to excellent radar.

 

 

I don't see Dassault failing or having to merge.  The French government will see to that.  Saab and British Aerospace merging I think is a possibility.  And I disagree the Rafale is a disaster, though its teething problems and a glutted market have hurt its development.

 

As far as A2A fighters, I would rank the Rafale above the Su-35 on the basis of pilot quality, putting the Rafale in third place.  The F-22 would be in first, the Typhoon in seccond (on the basis that it was designed as a pure fighter; the Rafale was not) with a narrow lead over the Rafale. The Gripen I would stick in at fourth, with the Su-35 trailing at fifth. 

 

As for what a 6th gen fighter would look like, I have no idea.  I'm saddened by the fact that it might not even be manned.

 

computor had a moment

3 cont as a rough guide given comparable systems with radar bigger = better.

minimil differences in rcs are not that significant between the 2 aircraft.

 

4 EW  why oh why is it impossible for you to accept that there are equal and possibly better systems on the market than spectra. Spectra is also lacking a towed decoy - this is an as well as not an instead of - nor does it prove the spectra is so superior its not needed.

 

5 fighter - the typhoon has been designed from the ground up as a fighter the rafale as a strike aircraft . the typhoon is optimised for the air superiority role. now you use this optimisation as justification for inferiority in the strike role, but refuse to concede this optimisation equates to any superiority in the a2a role.

 

HMS typhoon has rafale doesnt.

 

so in short

rafale has an adaquate radar, reasonable missiles (to vgood when meteor comes on line) irst (on some)  good defensive system, some limited rcs measures, good sensor fusion, and is optimised for a2g

 

 

Agree with you on the rafale poor managment and cold war cuts have hurt that birds development.

If the comment was financially a disaster i would probably agree.

 

I think france would have been better served buying f18 for the carrier. For AD perhaps buying int typhoon (or staying with) and developing a mirage replacement ie a grippen competitor -had they done that i think they would have kept market share as many mirage operators bought the super mirage (lacking a better name.

In fact french governement is reinforcing Dassault group by letting it to take partial control of Thales and DCNS.

"underfunded disaster"