Clearly , the Dassault Rafale is dead . SYSOP decided to kill it .

Since I am on the Net , I have never seen such thing before ... I am speechless ... I knew from day one (about 7 years ago) what Strategypage was and their last strike is , well ... stupid and partial .
It reminds me a Doctor House episode where the American multi millionaire tries to have him sacked by firing first Greg 's best friend and then Doc Cody herself .

Posters , this is what SP is and the people running the site clearly claims : "you get in line or your words will be vaporized"
"your words" are not only mines or FS's but also yours . The time you took to respond to us French posters , the time you took to do some research and/or post has been spit on and deleted .
I understand that some of us pay for being on this site with some privileges , others are free to post without the privileges but can we really agree with such behavior from the people running the site ?
Myself , I feel insulted to say the least .

Cheers .

We normally do NOT to take actions regarding killing threads or banishing posters. Wew prefer a light touch and let the threads go where they go. However, we also do not like Big and Bigger Dick bragging contests that devolve and deteriorate into a waste of our bandwidth, insults and personal attacks. That is why we recently reluctanly revoked the posting privileges of one of our longer-term posters.

 

Some posters have called privately for the complete banning of any number of posters, others for selective editing of posts, and others for killing the threads. We have the ability to restore threads, but are highly doubtful of the ability of posters refrain from re-engaging in the aforementioned playground behaviors. If we can be shown that this wont happen again in the course of the current threads,  we will restore the suspended threads.

 

 

The SysOps Collective

It 's kind to respond directly and I take act of your words .

Regarding the missing threads , you 'll do what you see fit .

 

Cheers .

Sentinel28a

 

No.

Not American conspiracy at all on SP.

Just some bigotry and insufficient technical understanding here of what LO+ECM and integrated 3 dimensional  RF signature management brings.Just insufficient technical understanding here why Rafale is a step ahead of an F18E (or an Eurofighter) as a platform for example, and for its system (with a ESM/RWR system similar to F22 and F35 and able to be used as a full captor, and not only a self defense system).

 

Some American experts see more and more, Rafale as a 5th generation concept.Or a 4,9 ones at least.

Rafale will evolve and BTW will be the main competitor of F35 or PAKFA in the coming decade.

Eurofighter is almost a dead program now and its producers do not want fund major improvment now (except an AESA).

(Maybe F15 silent Eagle could become also a 4,5+ generation concept).

 

Just a new document gift here

Notice "ranging" or learning system

It has been used many times.In Vietnam for exemple.

Bluewing

"Clearly , the Dassault Rafale is dead"

If it makes you sleep better at night to think the Rafale is a 5th generation fighter better than the F-35, FS...who am I to ruin your fantasy?

 

I think the biggest problem you have with we Americans, FS, is that we go beyond the words "IT'S FRENCH" when judging what a fighter can do.  If Dassault published something tomorrow about the Nieuport 17 being a 5th gen fighter, you'd be on SP five seconds later talking about how stealthy the Nieuport 17 is.

 

Come to think of it, the Nieuport probably would be stealthy...

FS wrote "it has been used many times.In Vietnam for exemple"

 

It has been used over the Middle East and in both World Wars as well. The difference is that both the target and the interceptor were at similar altitudes, not vertically separated by over ten kilometres.

If it makes you sleep better at night to think the Rafale is a 5th generation fighter better than the F-35, FS...who am I to ruin your fantasy?

 

Don't encourage the troll! I don't want this to turn into another stupid Rafale fanboy thread.

FS , thank you very much for this Thalès pdf ! I have been looking for it for months ...

 

The technology used is clearly 5th generation , the gap in between Rafale 's avionics , sensor fusion , ELINT , ECM/ECCMs and other 4 or 4.5 gen fighter is obvious . The F-teens and other SU-xx are not miles behind , they are light years behind . I spotted some very interesting details and I intent to start a new thread very soon where various ECM systems will be compared . I will also include the F-35 suite as well as the probable capabilities of the F-22 .

I need time because it is a complicated topic and we don 't have all the informations that we need , but I am going to try .

 

Cheers . 

 

Hum...I know some american experts like that.

But you don't belong to those category and you still not have start to read documents I provided and to discuss on facts.

You just refuse to understand, analyse and grow.

You refuse to understand implication of signature management, LO+Advanced directional and RCS coupled ESM/ECM.

You even refuse to discuss on it.

 

I don't judge Rafale positively because it is French, but because it is a outstanding concept.

I judge on facts and not nationality.

Of course I'm rather happy we have such an airplane since I'm french.And I don't defend french weapons saying they are the best because being French.

 

I have never said that AMX10P was best IFV of its time or AMX30 best MBT or Tiger best helicopter, since it was not true.

Marder, Leopard 1 were much better as I prefer Apache AH 64 - D today

As well I have never say that Rafale is better than F35 or more advanced.

What I can say today is that we have 3 very advanced, high performer and state of art platforms and weapons that match (or even outperform for some features), best of US deployed weapons: Rafale, Leclerc, Triomphant SSBN, as combat platform, and Mica RF/IR, AASM, Mistral, Aster, Scalp, ASMP-A, Murene, Bonus as weapons.

 

Notice I do not says that Exocet for example is better than a Harpoon or Hot better than a Tow.Or M51 better than a Trident II.

Rafale and F35 are different concepts but still Dutch found themselves of a very close ranking when comparing F35 to Rafale post F3.

 

When will you start to discuss facts?