"The censorship method ... is that of handing the job over to some frail and erring mortal man, and making him omnipotent on the assumption that his official status will make him infallible and omniscient." GEORGE BERNARD SHAW, speech, Jan. 20, 1935.

 

Even if rafale threads get out of hand, censoring them is just unacceptable. SP has lost its credibility. Pathetic.

Censorship is the act or process of examining and removing obscene or otherwise objectionable material; the act of expurgating.

 

Except for your definition of censorship, i agree with what you have said Aussiegunneragain.

But then again, SYSOPS methods are very questionnable. If there are some problems with rafale's thread, SYSOPS should BAN for good trollers. Instead, he is removing MATERIALS. That's is my only objection.

I dont think they will return if u ban them 2 or 3 times. Isn't there a fee to suscribe to SP? If they do return, SP will get more money! ;)

 

By erasing their materials, SYSOP is erasing some interesting debates among posters. It's not all about BW or FS, there are the others who contradict them with argumentations, facts and links which back their claims. And all of this is lost now...

 

By the way, there are lots of "stupid" threads in SP. If that's the way SYSOP proceeds, he has a hell of a job to do!

It is not so important that Rafale thread disappear for now.

I know what we have and in the coming years I know that public information will support that.

I understand that SYSOP wanted to remove this confrontation between few honest or/and informed members and a mass of trolls not willing to read any documentation even from US armed force sources, or to discuss facts or assumptions.

No so bad indeed.

Let start again discussions in few years when facts will arise and some other bigoted members will have left SP.

Maybe because we had six different Rafale threads going, when one was sufficient?  Heck, the "Brazil Buys Rafale" thread was something like 28 pages long.

 

Sure, FS, it's all an American conspiracy to keep people from knowing the truth about the Rafale. 

Clearly , the Dassault Rafale is dead . SYSOP decided to kill it .

Since I am on the Net , I have never seen such thing before ... I am speechless ... I knew from day one (about 7 years ago) what Strategypage was and their last strike is , well ... stupid and partial .
It reminds me a Doctor House episode where the American multi millionaire tries to have him sacked by firing first Greg 's best friend and then Doc Cody herself .

Posters , this is what SP is and the people running the site clearly claims : "you get in line or your words will be vaporized"
"your words" are not only mines or FS's but also yours . The time you took to respond to us French posters , the time you took to do some research and/or post has been spit on and deleted .
I understand that some of us pay for being on this site with some privileges , others are free to post without the privileges but can we really agree with such behavior from the people running the site ?
Myself , I feel insulted to say the least .

Cheers .

We normally do NOT to take actions regarding killing threads or banishing posters. Wew prefer a light touch and let the threads go where they go. However, we also do not like Big and Bigger Dick bragging contests that devolve and deteriorate into a waste of our bandwidth, insults and personal attacks. That is why we recently reluctanly revoked the posting privileges of one of our longer-term posters.

 

Some posters have called privately for the complete banning of any number of posters, others for selective editing of posts, and others for killing the threads. We have the ability to restore threads, but are highly doubtful of the ability of posters refrain from re-engaging in the aforementioned playground behaviors. If we can be shown that this wont happen again in the course of the current threads,  we will restore the suspended threads.

 

 

The SysOps Collective

It 's kind to respond directly and I take act of your words .

Regarding the missing threads , you 'll do what you see fit .

 

Cheers .

Sentinel28a

 

No.

Not American conspiracy at all on SP.

Just some bigotry and insufficient technical understanding here of what LO+ECM and integrated 3 dimensional  RF signature management brings.Just insufficient technical understanding here why Rafale is a step ahead of an F18E (or an Eurofighter) as a platform for example, and for its system (with a ESM/RWR system similar to F22 and F35 and able to be used as a full captor, and not only a self defense system).

 

Some American experts see more and more, Rafale as a 5th generation concept.Or a 4,9 ones at least.

Rafale will evolve and BTW will be the main competitor of F35 or PAKFA in the coming decade.

Eurofighter is almost a dead program now and its producers do not want fund major improvment now (except an AESA).

(Maybe F15 silent Eagle could become also a 4,5+ generation concept).

 

Just a new document gift here

Notice "ranging" or learning system

It has been used many times.In Vietnam for exemple.

Bluewing

"Clearly , the Dassault Rafale is dead"