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Subject: The death of a fighter
Bluewings12    10/17/2009 2:14:13 PM
Clearly , the Dassault Rafale is dead . SYSOP decided to kill it . Since I am on the Net , I have never seen such thing before ... I am speechless ... I knew from day one (about 7 years ago) what Strategypage was and their last strike is , well ... stupid and partial . It reminds me a Doctor House episode where the American multi millionaire tries to have him sacked by firing first Greg 's best friend and then Doc Cody herself . Posters , this is what SP is and the people running the site clearly claims : "you get in line or your words will be vaporized" "your words" are not only mines or FS's but also yours . The time you took to respond to us French posters , the time you took to do some research and/or post has been spit on and deleted . I understand that some of us pay for being on this site with some privileges , others are free to post without the privileges but can we really agree with such behavior from the people running the site ? Myself , I feel insulted to say the least . Cheers .
 
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Aussiegunneragain       10/17/2009 7:15:06 PM
Alternatively it might just be the case that SYSOPS's actions reflect the feeling amongst many of us that your use of the FBR board as a personal advertising space for the Rafale was ruining a forum where many people previously enjoyed discussing a wide variety of topics related to military aviation. Had you been more considerate and kept your discussion to one or two threads this might not have happenned, but you had to spam the board and this is the consequence for you. Bad luck.
 
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markrigh    SP approves censorship   10/17/2009 7:17:05 PM
"The censorship method ... is that of handing the job over to some frail and erring mortal man, and making him omnipotent on the assumption that his official status will make him infallible and omniscient." GEORGE BERNARD SHAW, speech, Jan. 20, 1935.
 
Even if rafale threads get out of hand, censoring them is just unacceptable. SP has lost its credibility. Pathetic.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       10/17/2009 7:28:22 PM

"The censorship method ... is that of handing the job over to some frail and erring mortal man, and making him omnipotent on the assumption that his official status will make him infallible and omniscient." GEORGE BERNARD SHAW, speech, Jan. 20, 1935.

Even if rafale threads get out of hand, censoring them is just unacceptable. SP has lost its credibility. Pathetic.


Bullshit, censorship occurs when a government prevents free speech. SP is a private enterprise and SYSOPS has the right to determine what content is posted here. Personally I think they have been too lenient with the FBR board for too long and welcome a return to some interesting threads about non-Rafale related topics, without them being buried in mountains of chaff. If the various Rafale enthusiests want to start a board exclusively dedicated to the type, as F-16 net has for that aircraft, then there is nothing stopping them from doing so.
 
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markrigh    general definition of censorship   10/17/2009 7:40:21 PM
Censorship is the act or process of examining and removing obscene or otherwise objectionable material; the act of expurgating.
 
Except for your definition of censorship, i agree with what you have said Aussiegunneragain.
But then again, SYSOPS methods are very questionnable. If there are some problems with rafale's thread, SYSOPS should BAN for good trollers. Instead, he is removing MATERIALS. That's is my only objection.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       10/17/2009 8:35:12 PM

Censorship is the act or process of examining and removing obscene or otherwise objectionable material; the act of expurgating.

 

Except for your definition of censorship, i agree with what you have said Aussiegunneragain.


But then again, SYSOPS methods are very questionnable. If there are some problems with rafale's thread, SYSOPS should BAN for good trollers. Instead, he is removing MATERIALS. That's is my only objection.



They would just return under a different handle. Remove thier material and they will eventually give up.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    bluing, sod off.   10/17/2009 8:39:22 PM
Everyone if we just ignore him he will probably go away, for good this time.
 
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markrigh    maybe not...   10/17/2009 8:46:12 PM
I dont think they will return if u ban them 2 or 3 times. Isn't there a fee to suscribe to SP? If they do return, SP will get more money! ;)
 
By erasing their materials, SYSOP is erasing some interesting debates among posters. It's not all about BW or FS, there are the others who contradict them with argumentations, facts and links which back their claims. And all of this is lost now...
 
By the way, there are lots of "stupid" threads in SP. If that's the way SYSOP proceeds, he has a hell of a job to do!
 
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french stratege       10/17/2009 8:54:01 PM
It is not so important that Rafale thread disappear for now.
I know what we have and in the coming years I know that public information will support that.
I understand that SYSOP wanted to remove this confrontation between few honest or/and informed members and a mass of trolls not willing to read any documentation even from US armed force sources, or to discuss facts or assumptions.
No so bad indeed.
Let start again discussions in few years when facts will arise and some other bigoted members will have left SP.
 
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Beryoza       10/17/2009 8:55:35 PM
Maybe when low level offensive counter air becomes a combat proven tactic?
 
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sentinel28a       10/18/2009 5:02:16 AM
Maybe because we had six different Rafale threads going, when one was sufficient?  Heck, the "Brazil Buys Rafale" thread was something like 28 pages long.
 
Sure, FS, it's all an American conspiracy to keep people from knowing the truth about the Rafale. 
 
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