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Subject: Chances for US fighters down in India MRCA as Lockheed fails to win US approval on tech consultation
SlowMan    10/6/2009 1:01:21 PM
< link > India is seeking a new foreign engineering consultant on Naval LCA after the initial contractor, Lockheed Martin, failed to win US approval on the consultation contract. This makes Indians to stay away from US fighter bids on MRCA competition since they just experienced the difficulty of obtaining necessary tech transfer approval from the US government. With prospects of US fighter selection unlikely, it is now a battle between Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen NG, and Mig-35. In the mean time, India announced that they are buying 50 more Su-30 MKIs to raise the total to 280. < link >
 
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sentinel28a       10/7/2009 3:13:20 PM
The tech referred to here isn't rocket science, SlowMan.   You're talking about stuff that has been around since the 1950s. Lockheed Martin doesn't even produce carrier-capable fighters, and in fact never has; the only thing Lockheed ever produced in the last 40 years that flies from carriers is the S-3.  The US Navy has always bought either McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing) or Grumman (now Northrop-Grumman).
 
So it makes no sense that the Indians were consulting LM for a carrier aircraft.  It does make sense in another light, however: LM was contracted back in the late 90s for help in designing the Tejas' flight control systems, since Hindustan had never built a FBW aircraft before.  The contract was terminated back in 1998 when India started testing nukes. LM came back in 2006 as a possible partner in developing the Tejas, but most of the info I've seen says they were mainly there to promote the F-16.  More than likely, the tech involved was something a lot more classified than turning the Tejas into a naval fighter.  Hell, I  could advise them how to do that.
 
Boeing, however, is still very much in the mix for India--namely the P-8 Poseidon program to replace India's Il-38s.  So I don't think the Indians are stupid enough to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
 
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gf0012-aust       10/7/2009 4:37:27 PM


Boeing, however, is still very much in the mix for India--namely the P-8 Poseidon program to replace India's Il-38s.  So I don't think the Indians are stupid enough to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

considering how stuffed their IL-38's are and how stuffed Sea Dragon is then the Indians are not that keen on staying with the extant platform.  The P8 gives them full Indian Ocean coverage on all 4 bases with overlap.

 
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SlowMan       10/15/2009 4:27:29 PM
Well, Rafale's chances are down too.
 
India's planning to increase MRCA orders because Dassault refused to cut prices on upgrade of 51 Mirage2000s and need replacement for Mirage2000s in addition to Mig-21s. < link >
 
F-16 Block70
Super Hornet
Rafale
Typhoon
Gripen NG
Mig-35

 
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MK       10/16/2009 4:27:11 AM
Slowman as long as no official statement has been made it is dumb nonsense to claim this or that contender is out of the run. It MIGHT have an impact on the selection, but it's not a given must, let alone fact.
 
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SlowMan       10/16/2009 10:13:35 AM
@ MK

> It MIGHT have an impact on the selection.
 
It will.
 
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jackjack       10/16/2009 12:26:49 PM
LOL wishing wont make it true
 
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sentinel28a       10/16/2009 3:16:11 PM
Why is the Super Hornet out?  India was torqued at Lockheed Martin, and then over the Naval LCA project.  There would be no reason for them to be angry with Boeing, and really little reason to be upset with LM, since the F-16 has nothing to do with LCA.
 
What was the upgrade on the Mirage 2000?  Were they going for the -9 upgrade?
 
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SlowMan       10/16/2009 3:40:32 PM
@ sentinel28a

> Why is the Super Hornet out?

Made in USA and subject to US State Department's tech transfer approval, which just snubbed India.

>  There would be no reason for them to be angry with Boeing, and really little reason to be upset with LM, since the F-16 has nothing to do with LCA.

The MRCA deal is still subject to US State Department's tech transfer approval.
 
> What was the upgrade on the Mirage 2000?  Were they going for the -9 upgrade?

Radar and avoinics replacement. Dassault wanted $41 million per plane, so India told Dassault to get lost and is trying to increase MRCA orders by 40% to make up for the shortfall.
 
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gf0012-aust       10/16/2009 10:06:38 PM

@ slowman > Made in USA and subject to US State Department's tech transfer approval, which just snubbed India.


ROFL.  gee, why don't you name the three US technologies that India has been granted preview access to which are  far higher technology suites than anything on the export version of the Shornet offered to India?  
How about explaining what ITARS tech you think is on the Shornet thats been denied to India in light of the tech issues offered in the other 3 technology sets?
Guess which american company just signed an MOU in India?
For a country thats been 'snubbed", they've just been granted review of tech that sth korea hasn't even seen....
you really should stop making things up, its a tad unseemly.

 
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SlowMan       12/7/2009 11:44:04 PM
Indian Airforce is recommanding EJ200 for Tejas Mk 2 < link >
 
If EJ200 wins Tejas engine competition, then Typhoon's MRCA bid gets wind in its sail because of engine commonality.
 
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