"Don't even bother joe, there's no way you will convince him otherwise. His super duper secret sources backing his ridiculous claim are too powerful. Try to think of slowkid in terms of a paranoid schizophrenic instead...no rational thought process."

 

Actually that is a pretty good representation.

 

He is the guy screaming at imaginary enemies in the city park all day while all the normal people just make an effort to avoid him without staring too much...

 

I guess maybe they weren't quite as offended as our korean-american fanboy/expert on Japan thought they were...

 

 

 h*tp://www.janes.com/news/defence/jdi/jdi091007_1_n.shtml

 

 

Contract negotiations indicate Japanese move towards JSF

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By Jon Grevatt

07 October 2009

Japan is negotiating a contract with the United States that will provide Tokyo with sensitive information about the systems and performance of the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) as it seeks to evaluate the aircraft in a bid to procure a next-generation fighter (FX) for the Japan Air Self-Defense Force.

A source at the Japanese Ministry of Defence (MoD) told Jane's on 6 October that the contract is expected to be signed shortly. Although the value of the deal is not significant (it is understood by Jane's to be worth around USD11 million), the development signals a clear move by Japan towards the JSF - and away from the F-22 Raptor - as a platform to meet its FX requirement.

The source said: "Regarding the selection of the FX, the MoD is studying the performance of various aircraft. ... As part of this process, the MoD has been requesting the US government to provide us with information on fifth-generation fighters."

The source stressed, however, that the "contract for provision of information" did not mean that it had already selected the JSF.

Other aircraft on Japan's FX shortlist include Dassault's Rafale, Eurofighter's Typhoon, Boeing's F/A-18E/F and F-15FX, and Lockheed Martin's F-22.

 

Long time ago I decided not to answer any your post, because they are not worthy.

 

However, since you want to define what we the Japanese are or do based on your sicked and corrupted view, I want to tell to the whole SP family that you never can know more than me about the good and bad side of our society, history, culture and nation. You misunderstanding about us reaches the level of pure nonsense and arrongance.

 

As I told long time ago you have a lot of BS in you country and the Kim's North Kingdom to talk and be worry about and to post. Why do you not post about racism in Korea? for instance, why do you need to talk about racism that really exists in Japan? The answer is you are corruptly biased. What you trying to do is to sell to the western posters and readers of SP the idea that Japan is the new Evil Empire so it is the hidden enemy or traitor and it is not a trustful partner of the western nations and the US in Asia.

 

The current Japan can be boring for you because Hatoyama is too peaceful, which is the reality that proves you wrong again and again about the hidden and evil intentions of Japan to rule again in the Pacific. But surprisingly Hatoyama is looking for a good bird to be the next main fighter of the JASDF, so our Prime Minister can be too peaceful or boring for you but not will sit down and let his country to be defenseless and the F-35 is a great option, but a person like you can not understand that. 

 

Keep you hands off of what (Japan) you can not understand because you were educated to hate us. You can hate my grandfather a he was a soldier in Manchuria during the War, but you can not hate my Japanese kids unless you are mentally sicked. 

 

 

To the other posters:

There is a well-known Korean joke about the Japanese I learned from a Korean man, he worked for Kia Motors.

 

MrA: MrB, do you what vegetable the Japanese people look like?

MrB: Vegetable... I do not know...

MrA: They look like an onion.

MrB: Like an onion?

MrA: Yes, like an onion. You can peel off the the onion and you always will see the the same surface again and again so you can never know what is inside of them.

 

This the way that many Koreans describe us, for me it is not offensive o disgusting joke, it is funny but it is true because we do not show too much of us for cultural reasons, the group is first and then the individual so individual should be locked inside, but you can truly know us with patience, just keep in mind that there are differences.

 

But the most important point is that the joke shows that Koreans have hard time to undestand us.  

 

Conclusion: Your arrogance can be and is overwhelming if you think that you can understand us and come to the SP and post only BS about us. You are not qualified to talk about because your education and knowledge is not gifted enough and they are vastly corrupted and biased by your education.

 

Finally, about you comment about my "unwelcome presence in Japan" I want to tell anybody here that I am more than welcome in Japan by my Japanese Family, my Japanese Boss and Coworkers, by the Members of my Japanese church and Japanese table tennis club, and especially by my Japanese Employer who is the JAPANESE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT and by the Japanese Taxpayers who pay may salary for the last 13 years. 

 

And let me tell you that you can continue to post BS on SP about us, you know this is US the land of the free, but I will not bother to answer you directly or read any of your BS.

 

Don't worry Maruben, nobody here takes slowman seriously for even a moment.

 

He is a child who hasn't yet learned that misbehaving does not make him an adult.  

I suspect he is having a hard time fitting in in America and is directing a lot of his anger and helplessness into his posts here.  

 

 

Recall that Japan's F-X is an open competition for air-superiority fighter, and the result of this competition must be converted into a report to The Diet and released to public. Good luck to F-35 in trying to beat out Typhoon and F-15FX in A2A combat effectiveness especially with stealth data missing.

repeating the lie doesn't make it so, it does however show how incomplete your knowledge is of the conditions of participation, and it does show your motive.

According to Fark.com message boards and what I've heard from 4chan, Bush might be responsible for 9/11 and Death Note is really yaoi.  That doesn't mean either is true.  (And if you don't know what yaoi is...don't ask.  Just...don't ask.)

 

I always thought Godzilla was a representation of what happens when you test nuclear weapons and screw with Mother Nature.  The SDF wasn't very effective against it because Godzilla is a 300-foot tall lizard that breathes fire.  Kind of like why biplanes weren't that effective against a giant gorilla.  I suppose you could make the assertion that Godzilla represents the US and the SDF is powerless to stop it, but that's going far for an analogy.  You'd be better off using Space Battleship Yamato, where the enemies are colored red, white, and blue.  As for kung fu movies, the Chinese aren't the only ones who can go generations before taking revenge--there's plenty of Western movies on that subject as well.  Still, while popular culture does reflect the attitudes of its people, using that strictly to judge a people would be going too far.  Hollywood is violent and has a lot of sex, because Americans like watching stuff blow up and we're obsessed with sex.  However, that doesn't mean that a foreigner is going to find American girls to be "experienced" and worry about being shot dead within minutes of arrival, either.  (I've seen both stereotypes in anime, BTW.)

 

That aside, SlowMan, the fact remains that you are a racist.  Yes, I went there, because you are.  You hate the Japanese, more than likely because of what Japan did to Korea in the early half of the 20th Century.  But that was a long time ago.  Those who perpetrated that are long dead.  Like I tell some of our more rabid Chinese posters, any revenge you want for Nanjing has already been paid in full, courtesy of the B-29s of the US Army Air Force (and you're welcome).  Japan being razed to the ground should be repayment enough.  That generation is long dead, and the present one shouldn't be judged on that basis. 

 

You seem to see Japan as a whole through a prism of hate.  Everything the Japanese do is wrong, and you will not accept Maruben's argument because it goes against your preconcieved worldview.  Don't bother with facts; your mind is made up.  Japan is evil, and therefore the sooner Korea goes to war with them (and beats them, since apparently you also believe that the Great Naval Showdown is a foregone conclusion), the better.  Again, your constant harping on an extremely unlikely war isn't because there's any facts to support it, but because you want it to happen.  And seem to take great glee in what would cause a great deal of suffering and death on both sides.

 

Your attitude is no better than Louis Farrakhan (or DA, take your pick) blaming someone like me for slavery just because I'm white, although my forebears fought to free the slaves.  It's like bin Laden still holding the West responsible for the Crusades (why, I don't know, since Saladin won) or, for that matter, me hating the British because Cromwell burned my family out.  That sort of attitude does not belong in the United States, which was founded on the principle that one is not judged by their background or what their grandfather did.  If that is your attitude, SlowMan, your days on SP are numbered.  Sysops tolerates a lot, but rampant racism is not one of them.

 

You want to talk about KFX, or the F-22, or the F-35--I'm happy to do it, even if I think you're very wrong.  I debate BW and FS on the Rafale, even though it's like banging my head against the wall.  But I for one am damned sick of your online grudge match.

@ gf0012-aust > you really have no idea how RFT's work do you?

So how does your version work? An inquiring mind would like to know.

the fact that you see RFT's as a technology says a lot....  not that the others who work or are familiar with this need it hilighted

@ gf0012-aust > > there is no missing "stealth data".

Sure there is. It is stated as such in the article.

and the article is clearly wrong, but hey what would I know, I've only attended a number of brieings.  Do you want me to show you all the accurate citations found in Wiki as proof of life than stuff on the internet can often be wrong?

@ gf0012-aust > When Japan does the same as every other participant

Japan is not a JSF participant and cannot be a participant. Why must I repeat this 100 times???

sigh, because you troll, you do not get access to the warfighting data unless you sign some of the NDA/Professional clauses. In fact thats exactly what happens with a lot of military technologies, its just that you've never heard of it and think that its a special trait of the  JSF program.  There are a number of current ewarfare systems that have the same conditions of participation.  Why do I have to repeat what is common knowledge to a kid that doesn't understand how RFT's and procurement works - let alone comprehend how some technology sets work?   Its an ITARs and USG binding requirement.  

@ gf0012-aust > and pays up as a participant

Japan cannot pay up as a participant. It can be a customer, but not a participant.

sigh, see above.  wash rinse repeat

@ gf0012-aust > then she will get a more complete disclosure of warfighting capability.

The article says the stealth data will not be made available until Japan signs the contract. In other word, FX competition comparison must be run without the critical stealth data.

sigh, see above.  wash rinse repeat.  guess what, the journo has no idea what he's written is fundamentally incorrect.  perhaps he needs to refer to the processes that the israelis and singaporeans undertook

@ gf0012-aust > repeating the lie doesn't make it so

Exactly, stop misrepresenting facts here.

actually its the issue that you don't understand the processes and are glibly quoting a publication that cannot get basic concepts and requirements right.  It continues to be of some amusement that you standby as proof of life an article that hasn't got the fundamentals right.  

@ gf0012-aust > it does however show how incomplete your knowledge is

It is you who shows the lack of knowledge on this matter.

ah yes, I have no idea and you as an indivudal who frequents japanese BBS has access to all this white hat information which has somehow been missed and misunderstood by those who either work in the industry, work in the military or who have technical competency.  go figure.

@ gf0012-aust >  of the conditions of participation

What participation? The illegal participation?