@ gf0012-aust  > > where in its constitution does it say this?

<link... > Read and learn.

and you do realise that the japanese are in co-development with a number of parties on different military technologies - and have been with the US for over 30 years now?    again, you don't understand the basics

> what ferking bit do you not comprehend about JSF

I understand there are development partners and customers. You don't seem to understand there are those who just want to be customers, and those who don't want F-35(Not good enough) but are supposed to be leading candidates to be the first buyer according to you.

huh?  what bit of any dialogue makes you extrapolate that from any of my responses?  for ferks sake, at least make the effort to udnerstand what people write - not what you think they said because of your polluted opinion .  Of course anyone can be a customer - that does not mean that they get access to elements of the technology.  ie development technologies and material science.  eg the germans didn't give the sth koreans all the tech data on their subs.  if you pariticpate you get more, if you buy outright you'll get something else.  the latter means less entitlement

> everyone is paying into it for development issues

And every customer who wants a small fleet of it must pay $10 million just to gain access to spec document for purchase evaluation when the other guys provide for free? How is that gonna work when the capability gap bewtween the export grade F-35 and other low-RCS 4.5-gen fighters is so small?

> stop making things up - its tiresome

Same to you.

you've been publicly demolished a number of times by various posters who have pointed out how much you don't know - my credibility and technical competency is not inquestion.  however, yours is



> the anti-US rhetoric attributed to Hatoyama doesn't stand up to logic.  he has a mixed party and cannot govern in his own right.

The majority of DPJ seem to dislike Americans, or Hatoyama's current anti-America drive wouldn't hold.

they dislike them so much that they expect to still trade in technology and ask for contemp tech?  sure they do.  the americans must be money hungry morons to want to trade with someone so anti-amercisan.  and yet, the japanese are involved in weapons development, fluid mechanics, tech sharing, space programs, hypersonics, CEC developments - all with the americans.  

> Slowman is hardly credible when he doesn't know the issues and extrapolates from a position of xenophobia.

Well, I understand Japanese brand of xenophobia and how xenophonic people sees things. You don't.

gee, I guess the oriental part of me doesn't understand the asiatic mind set after all. maybe its because I'm not an xenophobic troll.

> I question why anyone would bother engaging wit

Once again slowkid has demonstrated that it simply doesn't matter how many message boards and dubious tabloid press reports you read if you lack the ability to make sense of what you are reading.

 

Slowkid, you need to learn to stop trying to pretend you know things you don't.  You don't look cool or knowledgeable, you are just proving that you are utterly clueless over and over again.  If you don't understand something, don't make up an answer.  Ask questions... (you should be asking a LOT of questions)

 

Japan is almost certain to buy the F-35, it is only a question of the details at this point.  There simply isn't another fighter available that offers similar capabilities. (And yes, that includes the EF.)

 

 

And every customer who wants a small fleet of it must pay $10 million just to gain access to spec document for purchase evaluation when the other guys provide for free? How is that gonna work when the capability gap bewtween the export grade F-35 and other low-RCS 4.5-gen fighters is so small?

There is an export grade F-35?

again, to be specific, I attended the JSF briefings in Avalon that were given to delegates and some credentialed press.  as Heinz and Harvey reiterated to the Janes rep a number of times, what we get is what the americans get - and for any other partner in the consortia.  There is NO platform difference between consortia members, and again, as reiterated in front of all the industry journos - we don't have issues with getting access to any platform data or capability.  we all get the same.

Slowman,

 

From what I have seen gf-0012 talk about both here and on other forums, plus his interactions with several other people, I am fairly certain (about as certain as you can be over the internet without contact through email or other means) that he is what he says he is, and that he probably works in some Defense Department office in Canberra somewhere.

 

You on the other hand, come in here and spend your entire time contradicting the facts given by gf and other people with clearance, even if in many cases they cannot give substantial detail or clarify  their answers for security reasons. Opinions are fine, discussion is fine, that is what forums are for after all. However I do not understand why when told a fact by someone in a position to know, in this case gf, you continue to argue your contradictory point even though you do not have any evidence supporting your argument.

 

Steve

Slowman,

 

Just to further make this point. I just googled the words "lockheed martin f35 export downgraded" the only links on the first page that I can see stating the there will be a downgraded model are a post by you on this board, a post on "abovetopsecret.com" that is not referenced and several threads on other forums debating whether the export model would be downgraded.

In other words, no official sources.

 

Steve