Statements like this make me fairly certain you don't like the Japanese as a whole, SlowMan:

 

I did. You ignored, or didn't notice because it wasn't about Japan. My argument was that xenophobia and racism are the norm and widespead in Asia and this is what's fueling their desires to go to war against each other in the region.

I am trying to make people understand why Japanese and Korean DoD and their soldiers are eager to go to war against each other. Deep-rooted racism and hatred are the reason behind it.

I don't(I really don't understand why you keep insisting that I hate you and your kids when I never stated such thing), but I cannot say the same thing about over a billion people who indeed hate your kids for their ethnic origin(Maybe less so because they aren't 100% Japanese) and that's the troubling reality.

For one thing, you don't know Maruben.  Neither do I.  We know he's Japanese only because he's admitted as such.  So you do not KNOW that other Japanese hate him.  Or his kids. 

 

All of your statements have been blanket ones.  All Japanese hate foreigners; all Japanese are xenophobic; all Japanese don't like mixed-parentage children; all Japanese soldiers want to kill Koreans; a billion people hate Maruben's children (which would be tough, since Japan's population is about 168 million; I guess the Chinese hate Maruben too).  Do you personally know all 168 million Japanese, SlowMan?  Or are you just making assumptions that because they are Japanese, they must be xenophobes, anti-Korean, and hate mixed-race children?  There are two terms for that, SlowMan: one is called "racism" and the other is called "stupidity."

 

I can tell you that I have known plenty of Japanese folks in my time, and none that I have met have shown any of the traits you seem convinced that they all share.  I have met a few who didn't think much of Americans and who think that Hiroshima was a war crime equal to Auschwitz.  I met a lot more who like Americans; one of my college roomies married a Japanese exchange student.  I've even met a highly distinguished professor from Nagasaki who is quite glad the atomic bombs were dropped, because he feels that--as I and a lot of other historians do--Japan would have ceased to exist had there been an invasion.  He certainly would be dead, because he had been drafted into a suicide spear unit. 

 

Are there xenophobic Japanese? Of course.  Do women still struggle in Japan for equal rights? Absolutely.  Do Koreans still get the short end of the stick in Japan?  Occasionally.  But I try to judge people individually, not as a group.  I lived in Germany for a few years and made a lot of friends there.  Are they all Nazis and mass murderers because they come from the same country as Heinrich Himmler and Josef Mengele?  Are all white Americans racists because we once had slavery?

 

gf0012-aust > ROE's state that you cannot initiate fire unless under direct threat.

And watch UN officials die.

are you this thick?  its the host nation that has to be consulted with on the ROE's as we're in their country - its got nothing to do with the constitution. of japan.  the equiv of the attorney general in japan already knows what binds japanese forces in another country because they determine that before they move in country.

the ROE's (and a number of us are all bound by the same "defensive fire" caveats as japan) determine who shoots when and where.  All of us have ROE's which dicate that we cannot shoot unless fired upon first or unless imminent threat occurs.  The UN conditions also dictate how everyone can react with force.  eg why Rwanda was a ferk up.  UN participants couldn't even defend civilians who were being murdered because the ROE's in country restricted the ability for oversight forces to act with force.  A countries constitution impacts before entering country, once in,  we are bound by the host nation, bound by the UN caveats and bound by agreed upon ROE's,.  Japans consititutional caveats are resolved before force entry.

you really don't understand this stuff and yet still try to make it look like you do - unbelievable.

@ sentinel28a

 

You seem to have trouble with this whole Honne and Tatemae thing when interacting with Japanese individuals, so I hope this picture will help you learn and broaden your view of the world.

 

 

So how are you supposed to tell the person just said no when his lips said yes? Indications are elsewhere; his facial expression, hand guestures, etc. 

I feel like Stan Marsh and Kyle Broflovski...

 

"We don't care!"

 

If the @10million was something that any and every country that is a new potential customer would have to pay, then some/many/all Japanese can get offended and indignant and huff & puff all they want... We Don't Care.  We don't care because we ultimately can not control what other people think, and therefore we aren't even particularly interested in what they do think in a situation that is beyond our control, anyway.  If they take offense at something that we can't do otherwaise about anyway, then We Don't Care.  Furthermore, We Don't Care about hearing about their reaction to it.  It's all on them ro decide how they will react, and if they want to assume it's some sort of slight or even horrific insult, we can do nothing to stop it.  We've already explained that all countries in a similar situation to Japan would have to pay the $10million, therefore it's beyond our ability to change, and therefore if some Japanese are going to take offense... We Don't Care.

 

Unless Congress passes a law, the F-22 is unavailable.  PERIOD.  The next-best air-to-air fighter available from America is the F-35 (regardless of what you think).  After that, maybe the F-15SE.  All we can do is offer them .  If Japan wants the F-22... We Don't Care (again, as I've said before, other than the few of us who could profit from F-22 sales to Japan or think it will somehow help us if they buy them).  Most of us don't care because it is out of our control to sell it to them, unless Congress passes a new law.  PERIOD.  If Japanese get upset about that, again, We Don't Care.  If Japanese feel insulted by this and decide to buy Typhoons... We Don't Care (again, as I've said before, other than the few of us who could profit from F-35 or F-15SE sales to Japan or think it will somehow help us if they buy them).  As far as we are concerned, we are communicating plainly and offering all available options.  If they don't like those options, then they should go elsewhere.  If they decide to take offense at those options... We DOn't Care.

 

You can explain how there is some Tatemae and Honne going on, but We Don't Care.  I'm sure that American companies that send personnel to Japan for business reasons would care about how to communicate effectively in Japan with Japanese people, and so maybe some people at Beoing and Lockheed, etc. who may personally profit from a sale do care.  However, regarding anyone whose hands are tied because the F-22 is not currently available and therefore the next best alternative is the F-35, and they communicate using Tatemae and we misunderstand, then We Don't Care.  Basically, they are coming to us, so when they enter our dojo they need to understand our rules, not the other way around.  If they decide therefore to go buy Typhoons instead, We Don't Care.

 

I guess you could say the take-away from this is We Don't Care if they are insulted by anything beyond our ability to control.

 

Except that biplanes killed King Kong; GSDF could never kill Godzilla.

@ warpig



> "We don't care!"



You don't care, but Robert Gates and Barack Hussein Obama do. In fact, Obama's going to make F-35 sales pitch to Hatoyama during his Japan visit.



> or Gamera (the friend of children everywhere), or Rodan (the flying monster), or Mothra, King Gedorah, Hedorah (the Smog Monster), Anguirus, Gigan, Monster X, or any of the rest, either.



Well, those are all dead. Not Godzilla.

 

Offering the F-35 to Japan is NOT the same as pleading with them to buy it or forcing them to buy it, as you still somehow seem to think. Get that through your racist skull...it is NOT the same thing.

 

Basically the U.S. is saying to Japan "Well you can't have our F-22, but if you want, you can buy our F-35 instead. You just need to pay for the technical information for your evaluation, as every other country is required to."  If Japan doesn't want it, fine, they can shop elsewhere. But as warpig said, THEY REALLY DON'T CARE.

 

@ warpig

> "We don't care!"

You don't care, but Robert Gates and Barack Hussein Obama do. In fact, Obama's going to make F-35 sales pitch to Hatoyama during his Japan visit.



> or Gamera (the friend of children everywhere), or Rodan (the flying monster), or Mothra, King Gedorah, Hedorah (the Smog Monster), Anguirus, Gigan, Monster X, or any of the rest, either.



Well, those are all dead. Not Godzilla.

Thanks, I know, they fall into that small handful of people who do care whether Japan buys any.  So when Hatoyama says, "Sounds great, we'll take 150" will that come with subtitles to tell us if Japan actually wants to buy any at all?  Maybe you can do us all a favor, take all your future comments about how Japanese communicate, and send them directly to the White House and spare us, because We Don't Care.

 

 

All dead?  Even Gamera?  Surely not Mothra; if he/she is gone, then who will defend the Earth from interplanetary invasion?