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Subject: Two Rafales crash
usajoe1    9/24/2009 4:52:45 PM
Reuters Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:45pm EDT PARIS, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Two French Rafale fighter aicraft from the carrier Charles de Gaulle crashed in the Mediterrenean on Thursday during a test flight, the military said. One pilot has been rescued, another is still missing. The Rafale, made by Dassault Aviation, is France's most advanced fighter. Brazil has been negotiating to buy the aircraft, which would be its first export order. The accident took place about 30 km from the southwestern city of Perpignan. A spokesman for Dassault had no comment. "It was a training mission, not an operational mission. The search is continuing for the second pilot," an armed forces spokeswoman said. A rescue vessel, a civilian helicopter and two military planes were taking part in the search. (Reporting by Marcel Michelson; editing by Andrew Dobbie)
 
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cwDeici       9/25/2009 5:27:56 PM
So mid-air collisions are usually pilot error?
 
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cwDeici       9/25/2009 5:30:55 PM
(Also my second post was written directly after the first and would perhaps have been better, though I stand by my first post and like it (as the thread was not railed to elicit comments of consolation). Though I suppose it is a tad improper of me to further mention this.)
 
Also French planes have good optics, so that should help in recovery. Right now while the focus should be live retrieval one should mentally prepare that the best likely outcome is to find the body. That gives the loved ones a sense of closure.
 
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cwDeici       9/25/2009 5:35:40 PM
Oh humm? This wasn't created by BW? Well nvm. then I don't mind having read the OP.
 
Anyway, I'm sure everyone reasonably hopes for the best and prays for those involved.
 
I'd like to say that many French posters I see here do not seem to show much sympathy towards Americans, so for those American posters who are expressing goodwill here... you should be more reasonable towards them in the future. (I'm not American.)
 
Well, I can't say I don't loath BW, but I hope he's not too torn up about this.
 
Take care France.
 
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cwDeici       9/25/2009 5:37:58 PM
(As for any condemnations: I don't care. I've expressed sympathy for France, the ones involved, France in general and disdain for their product and some French, and I'm standing up for that whether any overemotional and fixated French or overemotional internationals think so.)
 
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cwDeici       9/25/2009 6:00:32 PM

Deici, I don't see the argument here.  Two pilots doing combat training, they lose situational awareness, and blam, they run into each other.  They could be up there flying X-Wings and it wouldn't make a difference if one pilot loses track of where the other guy is. 

 

It's like when an airliner pilot isn't watching his instruments or is too busy staring at the stewardess' butt and plows a 747 into a mountainside.  It's not the fault of the aircraft: it was sound.  It's the fault of the pilot for not watching where the hell he was going.  You can argue "Why didn't the plane warn the pilot?" It may have, but things happened so fast the human pilot couldn't react.  This is doubly true in high-performance, high speed fighters like the Rafale.

 

You and I can argue the merits and flaws of the Rafale with BW for all day, but this isn't one of those arguments.  A pilot or pilots screwed up, and at least one of them now has to live with that.



Btw., this is irrelevant, but almost all X-wings have shields except in the movies and would in fact survive a head-on collision (not sure about the rpgs, but definitely in the PC games).
 
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cwDeici       9/25/2009 6:15:59 PM
Anyway, I know Herald doesn't like Slowman, but I've seen a lot of good posts of his (and some insane ones). I think you should be nice to him and anyone else who doesn't treat this like it's part or exclusively a condolance thread.
 
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ArtyEngineer       9/25/2009 6:25:30 PM

Anyway, I know Herald doesn't like Slowman, but I've seen a lot of good posts of his (and some insane ones). I think you should be nice to him and anyone else who doesn't treat this like it's part or exclusively a condolance thread.
You have just lost all credability with that statement. 

 
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Bluewings12       9/25/2009 6:36:18 PM
??? Is Deici going to keep on spreading his venom and floading in all impunity ?
I am sorry to say , but this tread is about 2 pilots crashing and one of them is still unnacounted for (MIA) .
 
Deici , you want me to ba banned , fine . I don 't want you to be banned , I only want you to stop . Do you get me , Sir ?
 
Cheers .
 
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stbretnco       9/25/2009 7:02:09 PM

Anyway, I know Herald doesn't like Slowman, but I've seen a lot of good posts of his (and some insane ones). I think you should be nice to him and anyone else who doesn't treat this like it's part or exclusively a condolance thread.

Congratulations, CW. This is a first........someone lending credibility to Slowman and getting me to agree with Bluewings.......all in one thread.
 
I pray they find the second pilot.
 
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Nichevo       9/26/2009 9:53:09 AM
Quel tragique!  Tant-pis, BW, mes sincères condoléances pour les familles et la nation de France. Oublie SlowMan, il ne comprends pas.
 
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