@ Herald12345



> How was the F-15 different from the F-22?



F-15 is not as noisy as F-22

Liar....

> Which aircraft?

F-22. Kadena Municipal Assembly didn't ban USAF F-15s; only F-22s.

Liar...

> Don't blame McDonalds for the shift in HOW people die.



here is the quote from the Time article you ignore.



"But over the years, the American military presence on the island has produced a profound shift in local eating habits, introducing artery-clogging quantities of beef and deep-fried snacks. Among other fast-food outlets, Okinawa boasts 44 McDonald's, including Japan's first branch, opened in 1976. Since 2000, Okinawans have been taking in as much fat as a percentage of their overall diet as Americans."

It was 1976, cretin.

I have to disagree, SlowMan. 

 

On McDonald's: McDonald's has actually cut a great deal of fat from their menu, as they use canola oil.  (I know--it's why I eat there a lot.)  Also, Okinawan food can be extremely fatty: sata andagi (Okinawan donuts) are very rich food, very high in saturated fat...though they are very tasty.  As I'm trying to watch my fat and cholesterol intake, I can't eat them more than maybe once or twice a year.  Besides, blaming McDonald's is ridiculous.  Not all Okinawans eat at McDonald's, and if you do nothing but eat there, you will get fat and have a heart attack if you don't exercise regularly.  That's the little factoid that Fast Food Nation doesn't tell you.  So that comes to personal choice: no one is forcing the Okinawans to eat at McDonald's; they choose to.  That report is nothing more than people looking for someone to blame, and not the fatass in the mirror.

 

I've never heard an F-22, but I can tell you that the F-15 is very loud, much louder than the F-16.  Again, I think this is an excuse.  The Okinawans would like to see the US leave Kadena, and the F-22 is merely an excuse, just like restricting the Kitty Hawk from Yokosuka because she carried nuclear weapons aboard was just an excuse for anti-American rhetoric.  Granted, the American track record in Okinawa has been less than stellar.

 

I'm not worried about Hatoyama.  For one thing, the PM in Japan depends upon a coalition of ruling parties to support him.  If a majority of the Japanese want us to leave, we will, because that's their choice.  Most Japanese people I personally know say that American bases are a necessary evil: sure, it would be nice if we left, but with China breathing down their necks, it would be best if we stayed.  Hatoyama becoming a Chavez-like dictator--that has about as much chance happening as the JSDF telling us that they really do have Evangelions.  He would find himself out the door in a hurry.  70 years ago, maybe he could get away with it.  Not now.  The fact that his wife is a lunatic is something I'm sure the Japanese tabloids are salivating openly at.

 

While the Japanese do have a superiority complex (almost as bad as the Chinese's), I still count them as a valuable ally, and I've heard nothing from the people, who are the ones that count, that changes my opinion of them.  Politicians spouting rhetoric often does not reflect the will of the people--hell, look at Obama over here.  I'm not worried, SlowMan, and I think you're showing more than a hint of bias here.

 

That would explain this:

"http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20071221.aspx?comments=Y"

 

 

 

You have to understand that McDonald's major invasion of mainland Japan didn't start until 1990s, and its impact on mainland Japan wasn't as large as its impact on Okinawa. Japanese mainland has other Japanese-owned fast food chains that serve less greasy burgers than McDonald's, including stuffs like Rice Burgers and Shrimp Burgers. On the other hand, Okinawa was simply run over by McDonald's due to heavy American presence there..

This is clearly untrue. I was in Japan 91-94 and there were PLENTY of McDs around and had been since at least the mid 80's.

KFC was also very well represented back then and in fact they generally have a creepy looking Col. Sanders statue out front that often gets dressed up as St. Nick for the Christmas season (more of a decoration style than a holiday over there).

@ Basilisk Station



> This is clearly untrue. I was in Japan 91-94 and there were PLENTY of McDs around and had been since at least the mid 80's.



Japanese McDonald's of 1986 : 560 <link... >


It wasn't until early 90s that McDonald's began to make the major push into Japanese market that it became as common as 7-11 stores.

McDonald?s Japan enjoys highest sales in 36-year history

 

2 year old article and 36 years? I was off by a year.

 

And you are 0-50 liar. Still perfect in the accuracy department as in 0.  You really are foolish, aren't you?  Two posters who were in Jap-an have politely called you a liar, and I've plainly called you one. If uoi weren't a Rok I'd almost swear that you were a PRC bandit you lie so much.

 

Herald

 

 

 

 

SlowMan's Korean?  Bingo.  I figured as much. While the South Koreans have a legitimate reason to dislike Japan, it definitely shows up in SlowMan's posts as a biased agenda.  It's no different when the PRC posters get on here and start railing about revenge for Nanjing.  Again, legitimate reason for being upset, but whoring out the suffering and death of people oppressed under Imperial Japan to advance one's own agenda.  If you want revenge, visit Hiroshima or Nagasaki--the US Army Air Force already exacted it, with interest, and you're welcome.

 

The fast-food debate is as ridiculous in Japan as it is in the United States.  Afraid McD's is going to give you heart failure? Don't eat there.  I'm quite sure no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to eat at Ronald's.  Nice to know the professional victim industry is alive and well in Asia as it is here.

 

Hatoyama isn't the first Japanese PM to want Americans out of Japan, and he won't be the last.  It's typical politics, nothing new, and I don't foresee anything changing because of it.  And if it does, fine! Japan's not going to become imperialistic again, not after what happened to them the last time.  That cultural memory is seared, literally, into the Japanese consciousness.  If I was SlowMan, I'd be a hell of a lot more worried about the lunatic just across the 38th Parallel, and the Chinese who prop him up.