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Subject: Hatoyama's dream : Kick Americans out of Japan.
SlowMan    9/2/2009 5:34:06 PM
< link > < link > Newly elected Japanese government's diplomatic friction with the US is beginning, starting with stopping of refueling of US warships near Afghanistan by JMSDF ships and removal of Futenma US Marine airbase in Okinawa completely off Japan instead of another place within Japan. Japan Democratic Party is expected to call for a ban on entry of US nuclear submarines into Japanese ports next. It is interesting to note that Japan Democratic Party long called for complete removal of US troops from Japan, with single exception of the 7th fleet in Yokosuka and convert Self Defense Force into a full military in the name of self-reliance on national defense. Ironically, Japan Democratic Party's drive to kick Americans out of Japan would only increase its desire to acquire advanced American weapons since they would need American weapons to fill the void of American troop removal. Expect Japan's demand for F-22 to get only louder.
 
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gf0012-aust       9/3/2009 12:14:38 AM
why would they want access to the F-22 when they already have access to intergalactic spacecraft?

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ufo_blogger/~3/yGPgdKu32Gg/japans-new-first-lady-claims-to-rode-on.html

Japan's new first lady claims to rode on a triangular shaped UFO and went to Venus Tokyo : Japan's next prime minister wife claims to have had a close encounter with another world.       

"While my body was asleep, I think my soul rode on a triangular-shaped UFO and went to Venus," Miyuki Hatoyama,
the wife of premier-in-waiting Yukio Hatoyama, wrote in a book published last year.       

"It was a very beautiful place and it was really green."This has got to be the first time that a woman at this level has
claimed to have been a passenger on an extra-terrestrial vessel.

With this there seems to longer be a line separating people with power and influence and common people.
       
Yukio Hatoyama is due to be voted in as premier on September 16 following his party's crushing election victory over the long-ruling Liberal Democratic Party on Sunday.       

Miyuki, 66, described the extraterrestrial experience, which she said took place some 20 years ago, in a book entitled "Very Strange Things I've Encountered."       

When she awoke, Japan's next first lady wrote, she told her now ex-husband that she had just been to Venus. He advised her that it was probably just a drream.      

"My current husband has a different way of thinking," she wrote. "He would surely say 'Oh, that's great'."Source
 
 
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SlowMan       9/3/2009 10:24:47 AM
@ gf0012-aust
 
> why would they want access to the F-22 when they already have access to intergalactic spacecraft?
 
Because Venusians wouldn't sell the UFO to Japanese.

Under Hatoyama and Democratic Party's long term goal, US forces in Okinawa would be kicked out, meaning the loss of Okinawan air bases for the USAF and USMC.  You can understand the strategic consequence of this since the US did not return the sovereignty of Okinawa to Japan until 1975 due to strategic importance of Okinawa to US military's Pacific operations.
 
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gf0012-aust       9/3/2009 4:42:53 PM

@ gf0012-aust > why would they want access to the F-22 when they already have access to intergalactic spacecraft?

Because Venusians wouldn't sell the UFO to Japanese.

and the US is not going to sell them to Japan - you can do your pretend and pseudo military analysis as much as you like in here, but no plane - even a dumbed down one is slated for consideration - let alone export.

a democrat led country, with a democrat initiated prescripted ITARS caveat on FMS for hi level tier 1 sensitive exports - and in line with the previous administration from an opposing party is maintaining the line.

stop trolling.   
 
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Reactive    And that, Ladies and Gentlemen...   9/3/2009 7:19:26 PM
...Is as long as this thread needs to be - point made - don't waste any more time on this asshole.
 
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sentinel28a       9/4/2009 12:24:33 AM
But the internet is for wasting time!  (And porn!)
 
Seriously though, it doesn't surprise me.  There's probably plenty of Japanese who would like to see us gone...and they usually feel that way until someone points out how much money the Americans pump into the local economy in Yokosuka and Sasebo alone.  Or until the next time China decides to send a submarine through the Ryukyus.  It's kind of like the Pakistanis and Saudis who yell "Death to America!" while quietly adding "...but not before my son graduates from Harvard."  Politics is politics, and I don't see us leaving Japan anytime soon.
 
Okinawa may be a different story.  There was a plan to relocate the Marines to Hokkaido and possibly the Kadena wing to Guam; I don't know what happened there.  The Okinawans would certainly like us to leave (and, to be honest, we haven't exactly been the best guests in the world there), but for that matter, they'd like the Japanese to leave too.  Those two don't like each other and never have.
 
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SlowMan       9/4/2009 10:56:30 AM
@ sentinel28a

> Seriously though, it doesn't surprise me.

But it surprises many here that an anti-America(More like anti-US military) party is coming into power in Japan. What, the Asian version of Hugo Chavez the Japan's next prime minister? Unthinkable!!!

>  they usually feel that way until someone points out how much money the Americans pump into the local economy in Yokosuka and Sasebo alone.

A lot of it is actually Japanese money. Japan pays to host those US forces.

> Or until the next time China decides to send a submarine through the Ryukyus.

Japanese would actually welcome that so that they could use it as an excuse to build several 10,000 ton nuclear subs.

Japanese DoD just announced 20,000 ton empty displacement(More like 30,000 ton loaded) "destroyers" citing reports that China began construction of its first aircraft carrier..

> I don't know what happened there.

Too many rapes and drunk bar fights by US servicemen. And F-22 is supposedly the loudest plane to land at Kadena, you could hear F-22 engine noise from miles away and F-22 engine testing  at 2 AM was just too much.
 
And too many McDonald's at Okinawa. Okinawans used to be the longest living population on earth; now the heart attack rate among Okinawans is skyrocketing, and McDonald's blamed.
 
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Herald12345    Along with the sterotypical anti-American bigotry........   9/4/2009 11:33:48 AM

@ sentinel28a



> Seriously though, it doesn't surprise me.



But it surprises many here that an anti-America(More like anti-US military) party is coming into power in Japan. What, the Asian version of Hugo Chavez the Japan's next prime minister? Unthinkable!!!



>  they usually feel that way until someone points out how much money the Americans pump into the local economy in Yokosuka and Sasebo alone.



A lot of it is actually Japanese money. Japan pays to host those US forces.



> Or until the next time China decides to send a submarine through the Ryukyus.



Japanese would actually welcome that so that they could use it as an excuse to build several 10,000 ton nuclear subs.



Japanese DoD just announced 20,000 ton empty displacement(More like 30,000 ton loaded) "destroyers" citing reports that China began construction of its first aircraft carrier..



> I don't know what happened there.



Too many rapes and drunk bar fights by US servicemen. And F-22 is supposedly the loudest plane to land at Kadena, you could hear F-22 engine noise from miles away and F-22 engine testing  at 2 AM was just too much.


And too many McDonald's at Okinawa. Okinawans used to be the longest living population on earth; now the heart attack rate among Okinawans is skyrocketing, and McDonald's blamed.
 
.
And this... calls you a liar about the Raptor.
 
I would like to point out, that I will tell you the truth.  
 
Do you see where this is headed?
 
Herald
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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SlowMan       9/4/2009 11:52:57 AM
@ Herald12345

> And this calls you a liar about the Raptor. I would like to point out, that I will tell you the truth. 

< link >

"F-22 Raptors stir community wrath

Date Posted: 2007-03-02

The noise issue has been a difficult one between Kadena Town and the Air Force for many months. A recent survey with Kadena Town residents showed 95% of the 300 households just outside the base complaining of suffering. Ringing ears were cited by 43% of the respondents, while 28% said they suffered hearing loss from the jet noises.

Kadena Municipal Government conducted the study May ~ December of last year. Frequent resident complaints centered on loss of sleep after being awakened by night flight operations, and having to wear ear plugs in order to sleep."

While not on English news sources, Kadena Municipal Assembly made a ban of F-22 in their area and delivered their decision to USAF officials at Kadena Air Base, who then ignored the local's demand to remove F-22.

> Data again tells me that yp0u are ignorant and ill informed.

Time article on the impact of McDonald's in Okinawan health < link >

"But over the years, the American military presence on the island has produced a profound shift in local eating habits, introducing artery-clogging quantities of beef and deep-fried snacks. Among other fast-food outlets, Okinawa boasts 44 McDonald's, including Japan's first branch, opened in 1976. Since 2000, Okinawans have been taking in as much fat as a percentage of their overall diet as Americans. By 1990, Okinawa had fallen to 26th among Japan's 47 prefectures in terms of life expectancy among men; 47% of Okinawan men aged 20-60 are now considered obese. "We've been eating an American diet for 27 years longer than the rest of Japan," says Miyagi. "For someone in my generation, that's what we grew up on."

And increasingly, Okinawans are dying of the cardiovascular disease (CVD) that such eating habits often herald."

> Do you see where this is headed?

Yes, your own self humiliation.
 
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Herald12345       9/4/2009 12:17:13 PM

@ Herald12345



> And this calls you a liar about the Raptor. I would like to point out, that I will tell you the truth. 



<link... >



"F-22 Raptors stir community wrath
 
Read what I supplied you, fool. How was the F-15 different from the F-22? 

Date Posted: 2007-03-02

The noise issue has been a difficult one between Kadena Town and the Air Force for many months. A recent survey with Kadena Town residents showed 95% of the 300 households just outside the base complaining of suffering. Ringing ears were cited by 43% of the respondents, while 28% said they suffered hearing loss from the jet noises.

Kadena Municipal Government conducted the study May ~ December of last year. Frequent resident complaints centered on loss of sleep after being awakened by night flight operations, and having to wear ear plugs in order to sleep."
 
Which aircraft; liar?

While not on English news sources, Kadena Municipal Assembly made a ban of F-22 in their area and delivered their decision to USAF officials at Kadena Air Base, who then ignored the local's demand to remove F-22.

> Data again tells me that you are ignorant and ill informed.

Time article on the impact of McDonald's in Okinawan health <link... >



"But over the years, the American military presence on the island has produced a profound shift in local eating habits, introducing artery-clogging quantities of beef and deep-fried snacks. Among other fast-food outlets, Okinawa boasts 44 McDonald's, including Japan's first branch, opened in 1976. Since 2000, Okinawans have been taking in as much fat as a percentage of their overall diet as Americans. By 1990, Okinawa had fallen to 26th among Japan's 47 prefectures in terms of life expectancy among men; 47% of Okinawan men aged 20-60 are now considered obese. "We've been eating an American diet for 27 years longer than the rest of Japan," says Miyagi. "For someone in my generation, that's what we grew up on."

Here is something you left out, liar:
 
That's been the attitude of most Asians toward heart disease: it's a problem for rich Westerners supersizing themselves to death. Asia's health worries were the age-old problems of infectious disease, famine and malnutrition. But on the road to modernization, a large proportion of Asians—not just Okinawans—are trading healthy traditional diets for fattier foods, physical jobs for deskbound sloth, the relative calm of the countryside for the stressful city. Heart-attack victims like Miyagi are just the first wave of a swelling population of Asians with heart problems. 
 
Don't blame McDonalds for the shift in HOW people die. US populations when they had to bust their buns on farms were physically fit despite a lot the pork, beef, and fried foods they ate. Being fat and heart attack prone comes with the modern urban environment  Like your ignorance, its curable; order salads and run a mile each day.  

And increasingly, Okinawans are dying of the cardiovascular disease (CVD) that such eating habits often herald."



> Do you see where this is headed?



Yes, Slowman's  humiliation.
Lie much, you ignorant poster?
 
 
Like your fantasies about aircraft, your social knowledge about crime and health is zilch. You are also a LIAR. CREF above.
 
One more thing; like some of the crap sources you use; TIME is not a credible data source. Use soyrces who don't LIE like you do.
 
Herald
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SlowMan       9/4/2009 12:57:00 PM
@ Herald12345

> How was the F-15 different from the F-22?

F-15 is not as noisy as F-22

> Which aircraft?

F-22. Kadena Municipal Assembly didn't ban USAF F-15s; only F-22s.

> Don't blame McDonalds for the shift in HOW people die.

here is the quote from the Time article you ignore.

"But over the years, the American military presence on the island has produced a profound shift in local eating habits, introducing artery-clogging quantities of beef and deep-fried snacks. Among other fast-food outlets, Okinawa boasts 44 McDonald's, including Japan's first branch, opened in 1976. Since 2000, Okinawans have been taking in as much fat as a percentage of their overall diet as Americans."

You have to understand that McDonald's major invasion of mainland Japan didn't start until 1990s, and its impact on mainland Japan wasn't as large as its impact on Okinawa. Japanese mainland has other Japanese-owned fast food chains that serve less greasy burgers than McDonald's, including stuffs like Rice Burgers and Shrimp Burgers. On the other hand, Okinawa was simply run over by McDonald's due to heavy American presence there..
 
> TIME is not a credible data source.

I am sure 99.99999999999% of population would take the words of TIME over yours.
 
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