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Subject: India states Indian version of PAK-FA would make first flight in 4 months, claims Mach 2 supercruise
SlowMan    9/1/2009 12:04:17 PM
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Russo-Indian 5-Gen stealth fighter to take to the skies in four months news     

31 August 2009    



New Delhi: India's first fifth generation stealth fighter aircraft will take to the skies in four month's time, a senior Indian defence ministry official said Sunday.



"The aircraft, which can attain a top speed of Mach 2 or twice the speed of sound without consumption of huge amounts of aviation fuel, is being developed by Sukhoi in Russia under a $3 billion deal," the official said, on condition of anonymity.
 
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MK       9/1/2009 4:40:07 PM
Why dont they explicitely state supercruise? Or are they mixing up supercruise with the max topspeed on reheat in a single sentence causing confusion. And why "first Indian"? The first prototype is actually not the indian version.
 
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Herald12345       9/1/2009 5:32:52 PM

Why dont they explicitely state supercruise? Or are they mixing up supercruise with the max topspeed on reheat in a single sentence causing confusion. And why "first Indian"? The first prototype is actually not the indian version.

1. Press ignorance of terms and technology.
2. Press ignorance of Russian developments.
3. Nationalism.
4. Confusion.
 
I believe if people were to use terms like reduced signature, and signal managed instead of "stealth" that would be a more correct way to describe what is possibly in the pipeline.
 
As for supercruise: that definition and that term is rather vague-depending on whose propaganda you use.. Maybe if the term was rigorous like Mach 1.5+ at best cruise altitude without reheat in a clean or slick condition, we would get a better definition of what the claimed performance could be.  
 
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benellim4       9/1/2009 6:06:58 PM
I'd want to be anonymous too, if I were making such outrageous claims.
 
 
 
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gf0012-aust       9/2/2009 4:30:53 AM

I'd want to be anonymous too, if I were making such outrageous claims.

the more outrageous the claim, the more enthusiasic the fan clubbers grasp onto it....  of course, the could have a look at the outstanding success of Indias procurement cycle in the last 25 years for air land and sea and come up with only one project thats actually delivered anything even remotely on time - but with zero evidence of meeting the original specs, but that won't stop them commenting anyway.

for a country with some great engineers, they shoot themselves frequently and publicly with idiots like this making front page claims which fail basic analysis.

every one of indias co-op and/or migrated projects has had problems - and yet this muppet has the audacity to come out with stuff like this and say it with a straight face.... 

 
 
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stbretnco    LOL   9/2/2009 12:19:21 PM
I normally don't post in FBR, not my area of expertise.
 
However, consider the  Arjun. This from an Indian defense blog:
 

The comparative trials could deliver the final verdict on Arjun that has been 36 years in the making and has cost Rs.3.5 billion ($71.7 million).

 
 
An MBT is orders of magnitude less complex than even a simple jet aircraft. There is no way that a country like India is going to assist in the design and build of a 5th Gen. a/c and have it complete in the short amount of time announced when they haven't even managed to produce an MBT in 36 years.
 
 
 
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DarthAmerica       9/2/2009 2:50:07 PM
These claims are a dime a dozen. Just show me a prototype mockup!

-DA 
 
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SlowMan       10/16/2009 10:59:02 AM
India now says its version of PAK-FA would enter service in 2017. < link >
 
This follows an earlier report that Russian version would enter service by 2015.
 
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