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Subject: Japan greenlights 22DDH, a real light aircraft carrier(JMSDF insists it's just a destroyer)
SlowMan    9/1/2009 2:50:07 AM
< http://www.jiji.com/jc/c?g=pol_30&k=2009083101127 > Japanese DoD has given the green light to 22DDH today, the follow-up to Hyuga-class. 22DDH is 37% larger than Hyuga and displaces 19,500 ton empty, loaded displacement unknown(Asian navies always disclose empty displacement instead of loaded or full displacement) http://obiekt.up.seesaa.net/image/gachar22ddh.jpg" /> A comparison between 16DDH(Hyuga) and 22DDH.
 
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SlowMan       9/1/2009 9:35:17 AM
This is a good news for Lockheed Martin, since JMSDF would need around 80 F-35Bs to field its two approved carriers, which are around 265 m long and are only 70 m shorter than a Nimitz-class carrier.
 
This would somewhat offset the loss from a possible British pull out of F-35B program.
 
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SlowMan       10/23/2009 3:59:49 PM
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/554/22ddh.jpg" width="1085" height="684" />

Background : 22DDH
Foreground : Hyuga
 
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sentinel28a       10/24/2009 3:26:42 AM
Not exactly news, Slow.  SP had an article on this with the same graphics a month ago.
 
I did some looking around about a British pullout on the F-35.  The only thing I could find were links from 2006.  Both the MoD and the RAF confirmed an order for three F-35s for flight testing back in March of this year, though.  The new Queen Elizabeth class can't operate conventional fighters like the Rafale or Typhoon without a massive redesign, which, like the Japanese, pretty much limit it to either using F-35s, or much older Sea Harriers.  In any case, it doesn't look like the Brits are planning to pull out of the JSF program unless, of course, it gets cancelled.
 
 
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usajoe1       10/24/2009 3:33:22 AM
I did some looking around about a British pullout on the F-35.  The only thing I could find were links from 2006.  Both the MoD and the RAF confirmed an order for three F-35s for flight testing back in March of this year, though.  The new Queen Elizabeth class can't operate conventional fighters like the Rafale or Typhoon without a massive redesign, which, like the Japanese, pretty much limit it to either using F-35s, or much older Sea Harriers.  In any case, it doesn't look like the Brits are planning to pull out of the JSF program unless, of course, it gets cancelled.
 
Most likely the Brits are going to cancel one if not both of their new carriers when the defense review is done next year. This means that there might be a chance that they do pull out of the deal.
 
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Slim Pickinz       10/24/2009 7:50:32 PM

I did some looking around about a British pullout on the F-35.  The only thing I could find were links from 2006.  Both the MoD and the RAF confirmed an order for three F-35s for flight testing back in March of this year, though.  The new Queen Elizabeth class can't operate conventional fighters like the Rafale or Typhoon without a massive redesign, which, like the Japanese, pretty much limit it to either using F-35s, or much older Sea Harriers.  In any case, it doesn't look like the Brits are planning to pull out of the JSF program unless, of course, it gets cancelled.
 

Most likely the Brits are going to cancel one if not both of their new carriers when the defense review is done next year. This means that there might be a chance that they do pull out of the deal.



I think more likely they are just going to chop 1 or 2 at the most of their new SSBN class instead. Britain is far too committed with the F-35 program to back out now.
 
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StevoJH       10/24/2009 11:10:48 PM

I did some looking around about a British pullout on the F-35.  The only thing I could find were links from 2006.  Both the MoD and the RAF confirmed an order for three F-35s for flight testing back in March of this year, though.  The new Queen Elizabeth class can't operate conventional fighters like the Rafale or Typhoon without a massive redesign, which, like the Japanese, pretty much limit it to either using F-35s, or much older Sea Harriers.  In any case, it doesn't look like the Brits are planning to pull out of the JSF program unless, of course, it gets cancelled.
 

Most likely the Brits are going to cancel one if not both of their new carriers when the defense review is done next year. This means that there might be a chance that they do pull out of the deal.


An article was just posted that the carriers are too far gone to cancel now, but the initial order of F-35 will only be 50 aircraft for a single airgroup. It said the second carrier will be used as an LPH, but i'm guessing they will just have two undersized airgroups, to be built up to strength as more money becomes available.
 
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SlowMan       10/25/2009 8:24:49 AM
Yes, British F-35B order has been cut from 138 to 50.
 
Not Lockheed Martin and US DoDO must find a buyer for 88 F-35Bs that Brits chose not to buy due to "out of control" cost.
 
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SlowMan       10/27/2009 11:29:08 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/27/article-0-06FB4AFA000005DC-742_634x450.jpg" width="634" height="450" />
 
DDH 144 Kurama, the flagship of JMSDF's 2nd escort fleet has been busted in a collision with a 7,400 ton Korean container ship at Kanmon Bridge. Japan needs to accelerate 22DDH program to make up for Kurama's loss.
 
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sentinel28a       10/27/2009 11:38:16 PM
The Kurama hasn't been sunk, for heaven's sake.  Heavy damage to her bow, but she's still afloat and moving under her own power. 
 
A year in a shipyard at the most and she'll be back in action--not a permanent loss.
 
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maruben       10/27/2009 11:43:37 PM

The Kurama hasn't been sunk, for heaven's sake.  Heavy damage to her bow, but she's still afloat and moving under her own power. 

 

A year in a shipyard at the most and she'll be back in action--not a permanent loss.


Kurama collided with South Korean container ship "Karina Star" in the Kanmon-strait around 8:00 pm October 27th, 2009. One crew member was injured in this accident, and this container ship damaged the bow of the warship, and Kurama got fire, but it was able to extinguish the fire 10 hours and a half later. Further, in the "Karina Star" there were no injured persons.

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ht*p://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20091028-00000530-san-soci.view-000
 
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