You are really going overboard there dogtag...

 

As you said earlier, this is about a lot more than just the aircraft order.  Brazil is trying to form a broader defense/industrial partnership than the US really has any interest in.

As I stated earlier, while such a relationship can be rewarding it can also be very very difficult to manage.  (Just look at the issues the Indians have been having with the Russians.)

 

 

You remain a joke slowman.

 

Just look at the JSF consortium sometime kid...  See where they fall into your idiotic list. 

 

As for Chinese/Russian weapons... are you kidding?  China is barely a blip in the international fighter market and Russia has only a fraction of the sales the US does.  (and has been fading for years)

 

 

The reason why countries buy Russian and Chinese is because they either a) lack money to buy the good stuff or b) people who make the good stuff won't sell to them.

 

Look at China's main aircraft buyers: Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma, Iran, Zimbabwe, and occasionally Egypt.  None of those countries, with the possible exception of Bangladesh, are anywhere near stable.  Pakistan buys Chinese because China remains their only counterweight to India. 

 

If you buy Russian, you are getting a fairly good base product, but spare parts will be constantly a problem, as will quality control.  You may also find that buying cheap also means you get what you pay for.  That Su-30 Mk. Infinity may be sexy, but you may also have to replace the avionics and the radar as the West develops newer and newer things each year.  It's a good alternative if you have a poor country that needs fighters now, but not much of a long-term investment.  (The exception being the MiG-21, which remains competitive--though again, you'll need to have IAI or someone else upgrade your Fishbeds.)  So yes, you will get a great price.  Value? Not so much.  Even the North Vietnamese, who until 1972 rarely lacked for spare MiG parts, found maintenance (albeit in a tropical environment) a nightmare on their MiGs, and had lower sortie rates per aircraft than the USAF did.

 

I agree with Doggtag that we've probably missed an opportunity in Brazil, but we must also remember that the French are offering a lot more than I think any American company would be prepared to (especially in the current anti-business environment we live in).  The US has definitely had a NIMBY complex for just about forever.  Germany offered the Gepard to the US Army as a fine ADA platform, but the Army insisted that it have its own, built and designed in the US.  The result was the failed Sgt. York, and to the best of my knowledge we still lack a decent ADA platform--though maybe that's not as much of a problem, given that our armed forces have operated in an air superiority environment since about 1943.  I think we have let a lot of foreign-designed or produced weapons systems go by because they weren't produced in some Congresscritter's home district.

 

Another reason we're failing in South America is due to the current administration seemingly bent on bending over for Chavez, but undermining the hell out of non-totalitarian governments of Honduras and Colombia.  Maybe Obama is more worried about what Huge Ego will say if we sell Super Hornets to Brazil, but that's a discussion for another time.  (We did sell F-16s to Peru.)

 

 

 

 

Damn you are dense kid... the US is the largest player in the arms export market by so far it isn't even funny.  If one country or another happens to be the biggest customer on a given year that is likely because they were the biggest spender in the world that year.

 

All of the JSF program participants are major buyers or US arms, and none of them fit anywhere into your idiotic list. 

 

ignore him.  when he talks about things like the "top 5" US arms buyers and extrapolates that with the release of sensitive material and sharing - then he has publicly demonstrated again that he's clueless.  None of his "top 5" have even the remotest access to the same tech sharing and development of the 4 eyes community - and hence his repeated lack of comprehension of things like ITARs matters when it comes to exporting and co-developing tech.

its when he makes claims like the prev that you know that he's out of his depth.  he's an attention seeeking wannabe - walk away

 

 

 

Indeed...

Again, none of JSF partners are major US arms customers.

 

> ignore him.

Back on topic(?), an interview of Eric Trappier, Dassault "directeur général" (CEO?):

 

unbelievable.

I know you have an attention seeking disorder, but at least make the effort to pretend to understand what some of us are talking about.

kadena pictures - read your posts, read my responses.  don't establish causal links to non existent comments.

JSF consortium - they're not all NATO (and that ignores your lame attempt to causal link by referencing Australia)

5 countries with more weapons purchases than those in the 5 eyes community?  it aint what you buy buddy, its what you get access to.  Bottom line is that Australia and UK have the highest level of access to all US tech.  None of the 5 major buyers even have officers present in some of the critical US battlecomms areas.  They're non players.

keep on going, you're just digging a bigger hole and showing how little you do know about this event space.