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SlowMan 11/8/2009 1:38:40 PM

Brazilian Defense Minister trash-talks US and Super Hornet over the lack of tech transfer. < link >

It's a duel between Rafale and Gripen.

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Hamilcar 11/8/2009 2:31:10 PM

Brazilian Defense Minister trash-talks US and Super Hornet over the lack of tech transfer. <link... >

It's a duel between Rafale and Gripen.

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He then went on to say he didn't want to create a controversy with any comment that might be seen favoring any of the countries and companies... involved. But he didn't spare the United States.

"I will not get into a fight of companies," Jobim said after visiting the Cetex (Army's Technological Center), in Rio de Janeiro's... west side.

According to the minister, the most controversial matter among the suppliers is the technology transfer issue and he emphasized that, in this area, the United States doesn't a have a favorable history.

"The trouble with the United States," he stated, "are past issues. The past is a big example of technology transfer embargo. We experience this here today at the Cetex."

Jobim revealed that during his visit to the technological center he heard reports by military men stating that American companies would supply technology for the finishing of military equipments, such as batteries and propellers, only in ten years.

The difficulty to formalize technology transfer deals, according to Jobim, is a problem for several countries. "This is part of the game," he commented. "All countries of the world don't want the others to develop technologically. But Brazil... is going to develop itself."

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Assertion of facts not in evidence is not a convincing argument. As stated before, Slowman cannot be used for accurate information presentation.

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Somebody is trying to bargain for a better deal from the contract competitors. The target being pressured, the US, shows a Beazilian PREFERENCE FOR US equipment, not against, otherwise the defense minister would not caveat. he would state a preference against and be done.

That is of course an opinion, but it fits the above quoted statements better, than a wild assertion that Brazil will chose a plane based on a defense minister's anti-American politics and the poster's bias.

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gf0012-aust 11/8/2009 2:39:11 PM

obviously the defence minister is going to slag off at the USG when the Brazilians are are looking at getting some of their own gear into US service....

another hans christain andersen view of realpolitik at work

/sarcasm off.

this kid can't even come up with coherent misrepresentations of events.

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SlowMan 11/9/2009 9:51:49 AM

@ Hamilcar

> The target being pressured, the US, shows a Beazilian PREFERENCE FOR US equipment, not against, otherwise the defense minister would not caveat. he would state a preference against and be done.

Well, there is no chance of Super Hornet winning this contract since the tech transfer, the most important selection criteria, is the least with Super Hornet.

> a wild assertion that Brazil will chose a plane based on a defense minister's anti-American politics and the poster's bias

You have Lula saying the same thing. In fact, he was going for Rafale even before the final tenders were submitted.

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Hamilcar You talk through your hat. 11/9/2009 12:32:45 PM

@ Hamilcar

> The target
being pressured, the US, shows a Beazilian PREFERENCE FOR US equipment,
not against, otherwise the defense minister would not caveat. he would
state a preference against and be done.

Well, there is no chance of Super Hornet winning this contract since the tech transfer, the most important selection criteria, is the least with Super Hornet.

> a wild assertion that Brazil will chose a plane
based on a defense minister's anti-American politics and the poster's
bias

You have Lula saying the same thing. In fact, he was going for Rafale even before the final tenders were submitted.

You want to understand that your assertion is not a fact?

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You are here » Home... » Air Force News... » Brazil?s plan to buy French rafale fighter jets hits turbulence

Brazil?s plan to buy French rafale fighter jets hits turbulence

Air Force News... — By Agence France-Presse... on September 10, 2009 at 7:01 am

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Rio De Janeiro: Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's stated plans to award a multi-billion-dollar fighter jet contract to France ran into turbulence on Wednesday amid pressure from rival bidders and Brazil's
air force.

The selection process "has not yet finished," Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said in a statement late Tuesday.

Brazil "will continue with negotiations with the three participants; they will be followed up and the proposals potentially reshaped," he said.

That position ran counter to official statements by Lula and his government on Monday -- during Brazil's Independence DayFrench President Nicolas Sarkozy -- to the effect that the deal had all but sealed in favor of France's Rafale jets made by Dassault. attended by

"President Lula has announced the decision by the Brazilian side to begin negotiations with the GIE Rafale to acquire 36 Rafale combat aircraft," Lula and Sarkozy said in a joint statement on that day.

Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim specified that the decision to extend the talks with Dassault "was not adopted in relation to the other two" bidders, Bo

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