South Korea abandons consideration of stealth fighter development

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Rufus 8/31/2009 1:33:59 PM

Ah yes... the F-18 will both shrink and cut weight while adding internal carriage for four missiles... and gaining supercruise...

Even if there were engines powerful enough to enable an F-18 with some kind of weapons bay grafted onto it to supercruise it wouldn't have nearly enough internal fuel capacity to do anything useful, especially if you "shrank" the airframe...

Why do you even bother making this stupid stuff up slowman? These aren't even well thought out lies.

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SlowMan 8/31/2009 2:18:54 PM

@ Rufus

> Ah yes... the F-18 will both shrink and cut weight

Well, F-18L(ground based version) was much lighter than F/A-18 for the navy, so there is precedence for this.

> while adding internal carriage for four missiles...

You can obtain space for two missiles just by replacing the rear landing gear with a lighter one. So four seems entirely realistic if you assume that the landing gear would be redesigned and repositioned.

> and gaining supercruise...

Well, you have two F414-EDEs pushing a 16 ton aircraft. That's basically a 45% thrust gain over Typhoon.

> it wouldn't have nearly enough internal fuel capacity to do anything useful

This is why the study assumes 300 nm. It's not like KFX would be on supercruise all the time, just the 5 to 10 minutes of engage/disengage time. Consider it an afterburner on streoid, a 10 minute boost instead of 1 minute.

> Why do you even bother making this stupid stuff up slowman?

I don't have the imagination to make this up. I too was dumb-founded when I heard that they would try to weight-reduce Super Hornet, or shrink it if they don't get the target 16 ton weight. But the weight target is around 16 ton(for 300 nm LO A2A mission. This is not the maximum take-off weight for longer-range A2A or A2G mission).

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Rufus 8/31/2009 3:28:59 PM

Honestly kid... this is just pathetic.

You think they are going to fit four AMRAAMs into the body of a SH just be "redesigning" the gear?

You think they are going to be able to do that while reducing its weight dramatically AND "SHRINKING" the aircraft and maintaining its internal fuel capacity?

...and you claim this is what "reliable" sources are telling you?

You are an idiot for even thinking someone here might believe your BS.

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SlowMan 8/31/2009 3:46:44 PM

@ Rufus

> You think they are going to fit four AMRAAMs into the body of a SH just be "redesigning" the gear?

KFX is a "total" redesign program, like the Hornet to Super Hornet transition program before it.

> You think they are going to be able to do that while reducing its weight

Well, it has been done before, by going from F/A-18 to F-18L. Similar looking aircrafts, but one is much lighter than the other, upton 3 ton lighter for performing same mission at same range.

> maintaining its internal fuel capacity?

Who knows what the final fuel capacity is since it is a total redesign inside and out.

> ...and you claim this is what "reliable" sources are telling you?

The reliable source is a printed military magazine article.

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MK 8/31/2009 3:54:38 PM

SlowMan,

you would do yourself a favour if you would post the magazines name and issue, so that people are able to cross check.

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gf0012-aust 8/31/2009 4:10:45 PM

The reliable source is a printed military magazine article.

if its a foreign govt publication then some of us can get access to it

if its a foreign language publication then some of us can get access to it

if its an industry publication then some of us can get access to it

so,

name of publication in english and native print

name of publishing house

volume number

print number

page number

I'm sure our south korean military counterparts and/or the SK mil liaison officers are more than happy to provide us with confirmation of the the publication and its integrity in making the claims.

hell, if we can get chinese pubs then getting OSINT material that you are citing in a public forum as proof of life is a no brainer - and considering how much some of us liaise with the Sth Koreans anyway - well, its a no brainer really.

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SlowMan 8/31/2009 4:22:11 PM

Well, the source is this.

Don't ask me where to get it, I don't have access to it. I just came across a discussion about the article on some other web board, plus add-on information from the writer himself.

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gf0012-aust 8/31/2009 4:31:24 PM

Don't ask me where to get it, I don't have access to it.

The ISSN number tells us everything we need to know about the publisher

did the OP refer to page numbers or are they just making general claims

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SlowMan 8/31/2009 4:36:26 PM

Don't ask me where to get it, I don't have access to it.

The ISSN number tells us everything we need to know about the publisher

@ gf0012-aust

> did the OP refer to page numbers or are they just making general claims

It is supposed to right after Apache importation article.

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Rufus 8/31/2009 4:56:17 PM

"KFX is a "total" redesign program, like the Hornet to Super Hornet transition program before it."

Ah yes, according to your "credible sources" that somehow have the inside story on what would be a massive undertaking for Boeing that has gone completely unreported in any respected intentional publication...

Once again your "credible sources" sound an awful lot like a recap of several confused fanboys speculating about what a really really cool next generation fighter would be...

"Don't ask me where to get it, I don't have access to it. I just came across a discussion about the article on some other web board"

Well that pretty well tells us all we need to know now doesn't it?

A few weeks ago you were here telling us how the program was already in development... now here we are reading what is obviously nothing but wild speculation about possible forms a future fighter might take that can't even decide whether the plane in question will have one engine or two...

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