Ooops sorry only meant to post that once

 

And yes it was childish but this or something like it  or something imagined to be like it or something someone imagines and wants to be like it has been done to death and will only lead to more

F22 is comprimised    stealth doesnt work, typhoon is mediocre f 35 is crap rafale is brilliant. 

 

Followed by 300 posts of rebuttal and reasoned arguments as to why the rafale is a good aircraft but not the best, interlaced with claims as to how good it will be in 2012 after upgrades whilst ignoring that all other AC have upgrades coming (or dismissing these as flawed aircraft which require fixing)

 

 

 

 

 

Warpig :

Herald :

SU-35 AESA radar Irbis :

"The Irbis-E is advertised to be capable of detecting and tracking a fighter-sized target head-on at 350-400 km range using its long-range detection mode within a limited sector."

from : h*tp://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-35/su-35.htm

Then , the Captor has a probable 200km against a fighter size target .

 

Cheers .

The F22 supremacy is a public relations lie, yet.

 

Even though I seriously suspect people are lying through their teeth about the F22, it's probably still much better than everything else out there. I seriously suspect the rest of lieing even more and they are thus worse IMHO.

 

Take for instance the Russians calling their SU 47 forward swept wing plane "a raptor killer". How a Russian plane based on a concept thorougly tested and rejected by the US in the 1980's is gonna be superior, I dunno.

 

However should a technically competent enemy arise, then there will be problems.

 

 

 

 

This is the usual excuse we 've been hearing and reading for years and the USAF can use the excuse because the F-22 supposed to be undetectable , well what a beautifull vicious circle for LM to use ;-)

 

This is the usual strawman claim we hear only from F-22 critics who claim that the F-22 supporters claim that it is undetectable.  Of course, F-22 supporters--being by definition the people who actually understand air-to-air combat--never claim anything is undetectable, and only claim that the F-22 is VLO.

 

In the real world the F-22 is exactly what it is supposed to be, no more and no less, and part of what it is supposed to be is a machine that is far more capable at attaining and maintaining air supremacy than anyother fighter.  And the more realistic the scenario, the more likely it is to do so.

There is no evidence that the F-22 is dominated in any regime, and as for tracked in this engagement--assuming this anecdote in some fanzine is even accurate--about all that means is it was tracked further away than someone thought it would be.  Huh.  Well, if someone thought it could not be tracked by an EF more than 10km away, but it turned out to be tracked on one occassion (like maybe while it was showing its topview to the EF; after all, they *were* dogfighting!) at 15km, then that would be much further away than someone thought it could be tracked.  Wow.  Gee, that would be really earth-shattering.  Quick, Rafale fans can feel good about themselves again, the F-22 might merely be a much superior fighter and not a greatly superior fighter!  Hoody hoo!

 

 

I deal in actual averages; and detection threshholds, you idiot. You do know what that means right?

 

Herald

 

Herald , go away with your poor excuses .

 

Warpig :

We know from Aviation week in an article piblished in Augist issue 2005 that the Raptors were not in the ir at the tome of the alleged in cident and that even if they were in  the air that the raptors would be flying with their radar navigation tracking and IFF targets in the reveal position.;

 

I don't take orders from you either, poster.

 

I suggest that you now be silent instead of continuing this lie.

 

herald