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Subject: 2009 displays of the F-22 and the Rafale
Bluewings12    6/24/2009 5:03:48 PM
Let 's watch them first :-)

The F-22
h*tp://www.air-attack.com/videos/single/cAhL7lJCk4I

The Rafale :
h*tp://www.dailymotion.com/user/ministeredeladefense/video/x9ma8h_demonstration-du-rafale_news

Both aircrafts are pulling nice stuff . Rafale only does it twice faster . Explaination and details to follow .

Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    Well we have that settled.   6/29/2009 11:43:26 PM
ALL he has left is invective. No facts, no supported opinion.

Ah well, his descent into urrelevance is complete.

Not that any other outcome was to be expected from such a poster.
 
Herald. 
 
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Bluewings12       6/30/2009 12:53:10 PM
Beazz :
""Do you know what an *air show* is? It is a show conducted by various different aircraft *purely* for spectators *entertainement*.""
 
Oh , really ? Let me tell you something Beazz , during an air show , it is very much like a Grand Prix (F1 , Daytona , etc) and the various "stands" (Boeing , LM , Dassault , Saab , Eurofighter , etc) are closely looking at what the others are doing .
Teams are also under pressure while the general atmosphere is more friendly than at a Grand Prix . Some will remember a couple of air show where the Rafale and the Typhoon took off twice to try to better the other 's display . For the people watching , it is a continuous display of various aircraft but for the Teams , it is more like a friendly competition .
Then , it sometimes help to finalize a contract or to get more attention from a possible buyer .
An air show is not only a "fluffy" thingie , it is a real demonstration supposed to show the flying characteristics of a jet .
 
""If you had any knowledge whatsoever of how airplanes really perform you'd just shut up and go away.""
 
I know enough for what I have to say .
 
""I have personally saw the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds over the years perform""
 
Good , I 've seen the Patrouille de France 7 times and the British Red Arrows 5 times .
Also , you do not rate the display of an aircraft by its sound and the amount of noise generated by the engines like I read earlier on . As an exemple , a Chevy 58 is making more noise and has more hp than a Peogeot 205 Gti but the Peugeot is eating alive the Chevy on any road or terrain .
 
Cheers .
 

 
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Herald12345    More fantasy from a poseur.   6/30/2009 12:58:02 PM
Tell me poster, have you ever been a military jet, say perhaps to see Human factors limits for yourself?
 
Just asking.
 
 
 
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Bluewings12       6/30/2009 1:20:51 PM
Herald :
""Tell me poster, have you ever been a military jet""
 
No . I am not a "Transformer" , just a human being . 
 
Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    I suppose I shopuld have expected a stupid answer.   6/30/2009 1:36:05 PM

Herald :


""Tell me poster, have you ever been a military jet""

 

No . I am not a "Transformer" , just a human being . 

 

Cheers .




Then be silent. Air shows are called SHOWS for a reason. 


 
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Bluewings12       6/30/2009 1:51:57 PM
""Then be silent. Air shows are called SHOWS for a reason.""
 
lol ! You are a nutter !
Then , if you ask me if I have ever been a military jet , no I haven 't . Instead to post craps and bulls , check your spelling ...
 
Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    Reduced to nothing again.   6/30/2009 2:14:35 PM
Darth tactics won't save you, poster.
 
Been shown to be a liar, yet again.
 
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Bluewings12       6/30/2009 6:10:21 PM
I pity you Herald , really . Your life must be sad ...
You do not know how to behave in an adult manner . If your harsh and insulting tome was only against me  , it wouldn 't be so bad but you act the same with everybody . As soon as someone tells you that you are wrong , you stop listening your poor intelligence to go berserk , loosing all common sense and insulting at will . 
 
Everybody knows that we can 't win an argument this way but you , you don 't . Then , you also have the terrible habit to look into useless details to try to win an argument you lost many posts before . Exemple : if a poster tells you that water is wet , you will still argue and try to find some crap stuff on the Net and try to explainto the poster that water might not be as wet as he thinks . Do you understand the parabole Herald or am I talking to a wall ?
Stop it and get real .
 
Cheers .
 
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Herald12345       6/30/2009 7:47:38 PM

I pity you Herald , really . Your life must be sad ...

You do not know how to behave in an adult manner . If your harsh and insulting tome was only against me  , it wouldn 't be so bad but you act the same with everybody . As soon as someone tells you that you are wrong , you stop listening your poor intelligence to go berserk , loosing all common sense and insulting at will . 

I treat you as you deserve. I don't treat liars with politeness..

Everybody knows that we can 't win an argument this way but you , you don 't . Then , you also have the terrible habit to look into useless details to try to win an argument you lost many posts before . Exemple : if a poster tells you that water is wet , you will still argue and try to find some crap stuff on the Net and try to explainto the poster that water might not be as wet as he thinks . Do you understand the parabole Herald or am I talking to a wall ?

Stop it and get real .
 
You want real? I win,  because I can. You never will and here's why.
.
When I tell you the sky is blue, you get the QED explanation, if you can understand it (you can't); or you get the "atmosphere is mostly refractive and semi transparent to the blue wavelengths of visible light" explanation. Water's wetness is whenh I give you  the term viscosity and explain its electrical charge properties as a basis of molecule shape and charges. You say water is wet and I look at you, as if you are a fool, and say PROVE THAT  YOU UNDERSTAND  WHY.
 
Why is that?  Its because you once claimed to be a tank expert, and I took you at your word, until you started to talk about armors and lied about how those worked, and then confused a gun barrel droop sensor with an auto-cannon.  At that point I knew you were nothing but a !@#$%^&*() liar and a no good person of no quality as well. Your drunken rascist bigoted post that one time following didn't help your cause either. Then you compared someone else to Hitler, so I knew exactly what I deakt with and what I could expect.
 
Notice what I said? If you could lie about such a stupid obvious things that I inderstand all too well, show race hatred, and try to take people for fools, you could lie about anything and be so stupid and dishonorable that you have no morals at all.

I am not a fool. I even warned you about that. If you lied about something, then I would know it immediately. I would find out everything I needed to know about you as a person very rapidly thereafter. You can't hide that evidence from me. I push buttons and find out exactly what you are by whatr you respond to what I lay out there.
 
I always do.
 
Got me loud and clear, LIAR? Now be silent about how you and those like you should expect be treated.
 
Herald


 
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Bluewings12       7/1/2009 11:49:10 AM
If you 're not a fool Herald , why do keep saying silly things like the FAF and the MN are second rate Forces ???
It 's why I told you to get real .
 
Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    Irrelevant comment.   7/1/2009 12:09:48 PM

If you 're not a fool Herald , why do keep saying silly things like the FAF and the MN are second rate Forces ???

It 's why I told you to get real .

 

Cheers .



You are a second rater, poster.
 
The FRENCH MEN who have to use the junk they are given are FIRST RATE. Its the junk and YOU, who are second rate.
 
Learn the difference and grow up, liar.

Herald 
 
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Bluewings12       7/1/2009 1:47:20 PM
So , you say that French aircraft and French Battleships are ..."junk" (?)
 
You are indeed a fool and a clown . Discussion closed .
 
Cheers .
 
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JFKY    No, but English is your sceond language   7/1/2009 2:05:13 PM

So , you say that French aircraft and French Battleships are ..."junk" (?)

 

You are indeed a fool and a clown . Discussion closed .

 

Cheers .




So allowances must be made.  Herald said, "you and the JUNK are second-rate...." not that all your gear is second-rate.  Just some of it... I believe that would include, in Herald's view, the George Leygues and the Rafale.   It might also include the Charles DeGaulle, but I'm not sure...oh and he doesn't like the LeClerc, nearly as much as you do, but I don't know if he thinks that's "second-rate" or not.
 
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Herald12345    I say explicitly what I know to be junk, JFKY.    7/1/2009 2:24:06 PM




So , you say that French aircraft and French Battleships are ..."junk" (?)



 



You are indeed a fool and a clown . Discussion closed .



 



Cheers .











So allowances must be made.  Herald said, "you and the JUNK are second-rate...." not that all your gear is second-rate.  Just some of it... I believe that would include, in Herald's view, the George Leygues and the Rafale.   It might also include the Charles DeGaulle, but I'm not sure...oh and he doesn't like the LeClerc, nearly as much as you do, but I don't know if he thinks that's "second-rate" or not.

Aster, Mica, Charles de Gaulle CV, the Forbins, the Laugh it ups (Lafayettes), the Rafale, THALES, and Blue Wings are junk.
 
Good French stuff like their subs, torpedoes, sonar systems,  and their ballistic missiles I admire for its efficiency, and simplicity.
 
The Leclerc is a big question mark, because I haven't seen it shot at or tested. The JUNK I have.
 
Herald   
 
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JFKY    I forgot MICA and Aster....   7/1/2009 2:46:01 PM
Which is looking worse by the day....Yes I know, YOU KNOW these things, but you're only one lone Internet Voice...but I've been reading people besides you and they concur...PAAMS ain't working right...
 
I don't mean that as an insult, but rather as buttressing of your opinion...it ain't just Herald who thinks that the RN is getting taken for a ride with Aster 30.  I think some of the Brit's are starting to see it too....
 
I'm sure BW and FS will deny it, but there have been a number of on-line articles questioning the Darings and PAAMS.
 
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