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Subject: 2009 displays of the F-22 and the Rafale
Bluewings12    6/24/2009 5:03:48 PM
Let 's watch them first :-) The F-22 h*tp://www.air-attack.com/videos/single/cAhL7lJCk4I The Rafale : h*tp://www.dailymotion.com/user/ministeredeladefense/video/x9ma8h_demonstration-du-rafale_news Both aircrafts are pulling nice stuff . Rafale only does it twice faster . Explaination and details to follow . Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       7/24/2009 6:24:21 PM
I am not going to respond anymore to you Rufus . Your ignorance is staggering ...
 
Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       7/24/2009 6:45:54 PM
Herald , for God sake stop your never ending bashing . You go nowhere .
Like many French haters , you don 't like anything French and when it comes to military things , the USA must be the benchmark . Could you please put your flag down and talk like an adult and think a bit in front of your keyboard before jumping on it and typing BS ?
 
Every stuff I post , you jump on like a mad monkey with all sorts of irrelevant links and verbal abuse . You are a troll and your intelligence is less than average . In fact , SP doesn 't need you , we could do better without you .
Your last post is only a disgusting saliver spit and nothing else .
 
I mean , calling the Rafale a "pedestrian low altitude intruding bomb truck" clearly show your bias .
SYSOPS , how do you want me to respond to such vile and venomous attack ?  This is a clear violation of the board rules if you ask me . You are very clear about the definition of "trolling" and what Herald is doing should be dealt with and promptly .
 
Cheers .
 
 
 
 
 
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Rufus       7/24/2009 6:51:34 PM
"Rufus , you know jack sh*t about DACT excercises . The only thing you did get right is this : "Red Flag is a simulated air-war with some very specific rules, intended to educate its participants." 
The rest is utter bollocks . You should try to meet some pilots and educate yourself like I did ."
 
Oh?  Was that between deliveries?  lol
 
You can get as indignant as you want, but you are a fake, and we both know it.  You waste your time and ours posting your poorly thought out lies to this message board, and when someone calls you on it... you lie some more and try to pretend you have "educated" yourself. (which you follow up shortly by posting more ignorant garbage that even the teenagers on this board can instantly recognize as such)
 
Let me spell it out for you one more time fanboy.  Red Flag is not a competition.  Red Flag didn't "prove" anything about the Rafale, certainly not in comparison to other similar aircraft.  Red Flag is not about different forces getting together to prove how great they are... 
 
How many times do we need to pound that into your teeny brain before it stays there?
 
"Listen to me : within the decided rules , do your best to fulfill the mission . This is the motto .
I have talked to pilots , other frenchmen friends of mine also talked to pilots and maintenance team and I can assure you that within the rules , every shot is allowed , even under the belt . believe me . If it wasn 't the case , nobody would learn anything , you stupid man !"
 
 
Listen to me fanboy, Red Flag is not about "winning."  It is about learning.
 
On one iteration Rafale's might be tasked with destroying a certain target.  The next day they will likely fullfil a different role as a different group does a similar mission.(different missions are intentionally spread around)   Nobody is sitting there scheming out the best way to use the available aircraft to best "win."  It is about training.  All participants are there to get a good learning experience, including those with less capable equipment or less proficient crews.  What do you think this is?  Some kind of a football game where you put your best team on the field and leave the slow kids to sit on the sidelines?
 
In the real world, you may very well be fighting with forces that include older equipment and/or less proficient crews.
 
That is one of the things that is so amazingly stupid about the little scenarios you dream up.  You honestly seem to think the Rafale was flying alone out there against a horde of enemies, evading all of them, smashing the targets, and returning home to triumphant cheers, sprays of champagne and of course a great big Red Flag Championship Trophy. 
 
The reality is that dozens of aircraft from several different forces were in the air, all doing different missions, including SEAD, EW, AWAC, aerial refueling, and yes, providing fighter cover for the Rafales so they can do their low level strike... how do I know this?  Because this is how professionals fight, and thus how professionals train. 
 
Neither the blue force nor the red force is trying to invent new tactics during the exercise or taking uncessary risks. 
 
 
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Herald12345    Truth hurts doesn't it?   7/24/2009 6:54:16 PM
And you KNOW it at last. Because even you can read the plain English that exposes you and your pet plane for both of what they are.
 
Not what you claim to be.
 
Herald
 
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Bluewings12       7/24/2009 7:03:10 PM
You 're both wrong , on all accounts .
Since there is nothing I can do or post to show you the light , I will do without you . 
Simple .
 
Cheers .
 
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Rufus       7/24/2009 7:10:01 PM
 
Observe!
 
This is a "discrete" FRENCH dumpster.
 
This dumpster may not exhibit any features that one would associate with a stealth dumpster, however, if I claim that it is "discrete" and that it is covered in radar absorbing "paint," who could possibly argue with me?
 
There is saw tooth paneling on this dumpster's intakes!!!11one1
 
This dumpster could use Spectra and an IRST to sneak through the Moscow air defense ring undetected!
 
It could launch its silent attacks with IMPUNITY!
 

 
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Herald12345    YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE THAT.   7/24/2009 7:27:14 PM

You 're both wrong , on all accounts .

Since there is nothing I can do or post to show you the light , I will do without you . 

Simple .
   
You will not be permitted to spread your falsehoods without challenge. If you choose to withdraw or be silent, that would be a great thing. You tend to pollute every aviation thread  with your nonsense and make it impossible to enjoy a decent discussion about the F-22, the F-35, the Typhoon, or even such topics as why the 1%ers screwed up the fine transport plane the A-400M should have been with a wrong engine choice; or how AIRBUS is a criminally irresponsible enterprise that has much for which to answer for foisting its poorly designed and UNSAFE aircraft product line on the global civil aviation industry.
 
You think the truth I tell about Rafale and Dassault is BAD. Try French civil aviation.
 
Defective flight software.
 
Engineering safety factors that are marginal to almost unsafe in a desperate search yo reduce weught for fuel economy because the bungling AIRBUS aerodynamacists couldn't design an aeroshell, with sufficient slip to compete with Boeing otherwise..
 
Wrong pilot assist programs using a software approach that causes the planes to go into an uncontrolled departure from flight when the computer overrides corrective pilot flight imputs. Avionics especially external flight parameter measuring sensors systems that are absolute CRAP.   
 
 
Want me to open that whole can of worms on you?
 
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Herald12345    YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE THAT.   7/24/2009 7:27:54 PM

You 're both wrong , on all accounts .

Since there is nothing I can do or post to show you the light , I will do without you . 

Simple .
   
You will not be permitted to spread your falsehoods without challenge. If you choose to withdraw or be silent, that would be a great thing. You tend to pollute every aviation thread  with your nonsense and make it impossible to enjoy a decent discussion about the F-22, the F-35, the Typhoon, or even such topics as why the 1%ers screwed up the fine transport plane the A-400M should have been with a wrong engine choice; or how AIRBUS is a criminally irresponsible enterprise that has much for which to answer for foisting its poorly designed and UNSAFE aircraft product line on the global civil aviation industry.
 
You think the truth I tell about Rafale and Dassault is BAD. Try French civil aviation.
 
Defective flight software.
 
Engineering safety factors that are marginal to almost unsafe in a desperate search yo reduce weught for fuel economy because the bungling AIRBUS aerodynamacists couldn't design an aeroshell, with sufficient slip to compete with Boeing otherwise..
 
Wrong pilot assist programs using a software approach that causes the planes to go into an uncontrolled departure from flight when the computer overrides corrective pilot flight imputs. Avionics especially external flight parameter measuring sensor systems that are absolute CRAP.   
 
 
Want me to open that whole can of worms on you?
 
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Bluewings12       7/24/2009 7:29:50 PM
I have already posted all the available reports on RedFlag 2008 and I can repost them again if needed .
 
The Dassault Rafale was THE aircraft who impressed most . As I said , within the fixed rules it suffered no losses (the only fighter to do so) and was able to (I repeat) :
"" penetrate unnoticed deep into heavily EM territory and fire its AASMs with total inpunity and come back to base (while recording every EM emissions around for later purposes) ."
 
""According to Dassault, no shootdowns were scored against the Rafale during the 10-day exercise, and American observers were particularly impressed with the accuracy of the fighter?s Sagem AASM ?smart? bombs and Spectra system.""
 
The USAF even nicknamed the AASM the "magic weapon" :
""The accuracy of sensors and armaments Rafale has truly marked minds. It is equipped with the AASM (Armement Air-Sol Modular) developed and produced by Sagem (Group Safran), nicknamed "Magic Weapons" by the Americans.""
 
h*tp://www.safran-group.com/IMG/pdf/mag5_28-29.pdf
 
We also all remember the fact that the Rafale has been bashed by some of the USAF officials because of its spying capabilities , no need to come back on it .
 
Cheers . 
 
 
 
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Herald12345    MORE LIES.   7/24/2009 7:49:43 PM

I have already posted all the available reports on RedFlag 2008 and I can repost them again if needed .

 

The Dassault Rafale was THE aircraft who impressed most . As I said , within the fixed rules it suffered no losses (the only fighter to do so) and was able to (I repeat) :



"" penetrate unnoticed deep into heavily EM territory and fire its AASMs with total inpunity and come back to base (while recording every EM emissions around for later purposes) ."

 

""According to Dassault, no shootdowns were scored against the Rafale during the 10-day exercise, and American observers were particularly impressed with the accuracy of the fighter?s Sagem AASM ?smart? bombs and Spectra system.""

 

The USAF even nicknamed the AASM the "magic weapon" :

""The accuracy of sensors and armaments Rafale has truly marked minds. It is equipped with the AASM (Armement Air-Sol Modular) developed and produced by Sagem (Group Safran), nicknamed "Magic Weapons" by the Americans.""

 

h*tp://www.safran-group.com/IMG/pdf/mag5_28-29.pdf


 

We also all remember the fact that the Rafale has been bashed by some of the USAF officials because of its spying capabilities , no need to come back on it .

 

Cheers . 


 

 


Here is the truth, coutesy of PHAID:


 
 
Subject: The Rafale's First Red Flag
Phaid    9/3/2008 5:22:21 PM
This is my translation of a new article from TTU Online:
hxxp://www.ttu.fr/francais/Articles/rafaleredflag.html

The Rafale's First Red Flag

For the armée de l'air, two years after its official entry into service at Saint Dizier, the summer of 2008 was the first opportunity to fully test the Rafale in the context of a large-scale war gaming exercise in the Nevada desert, which came at the conclusion of a long journey journey across the American continent following a crossing of the Atlantic via the Azores.

Planned for a year and a half, the goal of Red Flag is to prepare the French air forces for tactical interoperability. The armée de l'air has taken part in Red Flag on a regular basis since 1981, and nearly all of its combat aircraft types have participated. This time, it was the Rafale's turn, as a prelude to the participation of the Mirage F1CT/CR this fall in Green Flag -- a CAS exercise smaller in scale than Red Flag but which prepares forces for missions currently being undertaken in Afghanistan.

And so, from the 7th to the 22nd August, a detachment of four Rafales from the fighter squadron 1/7 "Provence", based in Saint-Dizier, accompanied by a C-135FR tanker, spent ten days taking part in the fourth Red Flag of 2008, certainly the most demanding -- the closest thing to real war, they say -- for a Western pilot.

The detachment of 85 personnel, under the command of colonel Philippe Poireault, the team's leader, and of the lieutenant colonel Fabrice Grandclaudon, commander of the 1/7, consisted in all of fourteen pilotes, six navigators, an intelligence officer, and 39 mechanics. The detachment consisted of two teams; one for missions during the day and one for missions at night. The roster was rounded out by air commandos responsible for the security of the aircraft.

Taking place immediately following a 10-day base exchange at Luke Air Force Base with F-16s and personnel of the USAF's 309th TFS, the goal of the Rafale's first Red Flag was to compare the Rafale, which the squadron has been flying for two years, with combat aircraft of the same generation (called the 4th generation): F-15Es of the USAFE, F-15Ks of the RoKAF, F-15 and F-16 Aggressors, and Su-30MKIs of the IAF. It should be noted that half o
 
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