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Subject: 2009 displays of the F-22 and the Rafale
Bluewings12    6/24/2009 5:03:48 PM
Let 's watch them first :-)

The F-22
h*tp://www.air-attack.com/videos/single/cAhL7lJCk4I

The Rafale :
h*tp://www.dailymotion.com/user/ministeredeladefense/video/x9ma8h_demonstration-du-rafale_news

Both aircrafts are pulling nice stuff . Rafale only does it twice faster . Explaination and details to follow .

Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    French pilots.......    6/26/2009 4:30:21 PM
splashed a lot of Germans.
 
 
Its not the plane around a man, its the MAN in the plane.
 
Herald
 
 
 
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violentnuke    Cyber paste attack   6/27/2009 2:12:45 PM
The French get a lot of brainwashing propaganda, and so I assume BW's propaganda of brute force cut and paste troll posts nearing cyberattack levels are not quite there as to be so far a bit entertaining and half humoristic brain play, typical French.
 
It might help him gain some intel yonder, depending the replies, who knows.
 
That being said, he never has seen live in the flesh the F22 demo I saw in NC. I have seen both the Rafale and the F22.
 
The Rafale was nice, like a souped up F16, but not even as loud.
Then they told us to protect our ear drums because a B1B flyover with full 4xF16 engines afterburning were dangerous for ear drums.
It was really loud..... until the F22 took off.
 
Man! WHAT A BEAST! is all I can say. This thing was twice as loud as the B1B and maneuvered like a draggon, stopping and going right in the air at will. TVC deflections would camber convexly or concavely the whole fuselage. It was like a raging cat with a arching back all balled up for a fight.
 
Kids were crying in fright on the tarmac, women had tears in their eyes.
 
BW, you are ignorant. I have seen the light. Go on, take on the day, and go see the F22. Your petty videos and, let alone "cave of Plato" comments are irrelevant. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
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violentnuke       6/27/2009 2:27:39 PM
All I'm saying to the BWings out there: sometimes intellect and computations are nice, but sometimes you need to get out and see for yourself what is out there. BW, me think you need a stiff one or to get laid or something and then come back.
.... oh, and given my knowledge in fixing aircrafts, this F22 must be a folly of dedication towards the kinds of nightmare in technicalities that show its handlers do more than care for this airframe. I would never for the life of me sign up for a job near or around that aircraft because it would be overwhelming for me. Only sheer mind toughness and not just intelligence must be required to "tinker" with it. Behind its graceful lines and even its powerful demo, I sense, as a military aircraft mechanic/avionic something required of the super-manly to match its character requirement.
 
This thing scares the bejesus out of me. The F22 virtualy scarred me for life because I can smell what it is capable of.
 
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Herald12345    Nicely summed up.   6/27/2009 3:03:22 PM

All I'm saying to the BWings out there: sometimes intellect and computations are nice, but sometimes you need to get out and see for yourself what is out there. BW, me think you need a stiff one or to get laid or something and then come back.


.... oh, and given my knowledge in fixing aircrafts, this F22 must be a folly of dedication towards the kinds of nightmare in technicalities that show its handlers do more than care for this airframe. I would never for the life of me sign up for a job near or around that aircraft because it would be overwhelming for me. Only sheer mind toughness and not just intelligence must be required to "tinker" with it. Behind its graceful lines and even its powerful demo, I sense, as a military aircraft mechanic/avionic something required of the super-manly to match its character requirement.

 

This thing scares the bejesus out of me. The F22 virtualy scarred me for life because I can smell what it is capable of.


Its a terrifying bird isn't it?
 
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lurker       6/27/2009 3:13:28 PM

All I'm saying to the BWings out there: sometimes intellect and computations are nice, but sometimes you need to get out and see for yourself what is out there. BW, me think you need a stiff one or to get laid or something and then come back.


.... oh, and given my knowledge in fixing aircrafts, this F22 must be a folly of dedication towards the kinds of nightmare in technicalities that show its handlers do more than care for this airframe. I would never for the life of me sign up for a job near or around that aircraft because it would be overwhelming for me. Only sheer mind toughness and not just intelligence must be required to "tinker" with it. Behind its graceful lines and even its powerful demo, I sense, as a military aircraft mechanic/avionic something required of the super-manly to match its character requirement.

 

This thing scares the bejesus out of me. The F22 virtualy scarred me for life because I can smell what it is capable of.


Huh by second-hand info what i've heard is that it is more maintenance friendly than legacy aircraft. a laptop computer can be plugged into it to accurately point out any problems in the plane or such like that.
 
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Herald12345    Not what he said.   6/27/2009 3:22:15 PM
He says that understanding it must be a nightmare. Plug and replace is NOT the same as understanding what you just replaced. 
 
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lurker       6/27/2009 5:11:28 PM

He says that understanding it must be a nightmare. Plug and replace is NOT the same as understanding what you just replaced. 
Got you, thanks for the clearing  it up.
 
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Beazz       6/28/2009 2:42:34 AM









Can anybody tell me why you are that much freaking out about BWs posts ? I am certainly not the "aircraft expert" you guys obviously are, but what your problem - just a guy coming along and saying that in his opinion the Rafale has a comparable or maybe better maneuverability than the F22 ? I rad your posts and in almost every second post there are words like "Troll", "Liar", "Idiot" ... are these your arguments ? hey, if you "know what you ve got" - just stay relaxed ...



 



Maybe you're not reading what all the rest on here are from BW. And I am relaxed. Maybe you are unfamiliar with :-) Thats called a smiley face. Or LOL That's called *laughing out loud*. All signs of being relaxed. Duhhh ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))










However, I also don't find it very appealing if you produce a superior aircraft, which is however so expensive that you can't afford to buy a large enough number to further guarantee your air superiority. Is this success ? I don't know. 



 



And you think the US will not maintain it's air superiority with whatever number of F22's we wind up with? Unlike France, we have more then one egg in our basket. Some of us just prefer to have more of that particualr egg is all. But either way, we will still maintain an absolute air superiority wherever we may choose to fight.  So, are you BW's cousin or what? ;-))) Seeeeeeeee, all relaxed dude. hahaha hehehe hohoho



 



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Wow, hehehee and hahaha - and "we will always be the superior power of the world" ... seems to me that your posts are not significantly different in quality as Bluewings - right ? Listen Kiddie, fortunate for you your military leaders seem to see situations in a realistic way - maintaining superiority is not only a matter of technology but also a matter of money. 
Wow... got me there eh? lol I was gonna say you're bout as sharp as BW, but naaa. BW knows when he's being laughed at and he also knows when a certain post intentionally had no meaning other then sarcasm..kiddie..lol Yea, I find you funny with your ridiculous little French style pep talk. Like you would have a clue how our militaRY leaders see anything.

I am a ground guy. So please execuse me if I am asking to get qualified answers (like Heralds) in areas where I do not have first hand informatio - however I do not think that I have to be associated with BW or anybody else just I have a French name, especially not by a kiddie who probably never has gotten his ass off his warm couch. 
I associated you with BW because you act like him. Got that Mr ground guy? I'm retired lil boy and live in Florida so I try and keep my sofa nice and cool. Not warm. Got it?   You're a bundle of knowledge huh? Ok now go have some of that nice French wine trooper lol
BTW, that's Mr Kiddie to you ok?  Seeee..still al relaxed just like you advised lol


 
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Bluewings12       6/29/2009 12:16:32 PM
Some posters can call me names as much as they want , it will not change a thing .
Seriously , how to you expect me to react when I read so much lies , mistakes , errors , misconceptions and sometimes pure and free bashing ?
Few exemples :
(Herald)
""The Rafale is a bomb truck with a secondary air to air capability""
 
This is nothing but a forum legend . If you understand "multi-role" , you should also understand "omnirole" . Nobody has ever been capable to prove its case against the Dassault fighter . Rafale is excellent at both tasks . We only have to look at the last 50 years and the various aircrafts designed during that time to see ONE thing : very few aircrafts have been truely designed as multirole from the first blueprint . F-14 : long range interceptor to protect the fleet , multi role added later on , F-15 : fast interceptor to counter the Foxbat , multi role added later on , F-16 : short range dogfighter for homeland protection , multirole added later on , F-117 ; pure bomber , B-1 : pure bomber , B-2 : pure bomber , F-22 : pure interceptor with some small atg capabilities , F-35 : Ah ! a true multirole fighter from day one .
You can also check the Russian designs , same story . In Europe , this is a bit different . The Panavia Tornado was not a true multirole from day one but not far off , the Mirage 2000 is a true multirole aircraft from day one , the Viggen and gripen are also multirole from the start , the rafale is a also a true multirole from day one , the Typhoon blueprint is the one of an interceptor .
 
""France designed the Rafale to fight her "colonial" wars""
 
This is completly untrue . France designed the Rafale to counter the USSR menace and to replace the entire air fleet .
 
""ALGERIA was the referent enemy"
 
??? Huh ? (uncontrolable laugh !) No , it was Russia .
 
""They had exactly one chance to get it right and they missed it. As a practical matter METEOR and CAESAR have to work now so they can piggyback off those results; or their air forces both naval and land based will be no better than second rate equipment-wise for what they need to do A2A.  As of now, the Mainstay supported Sukhois will eat them alive.That is what the engineering incompetence of DASSAULT, MBDA, and THALES led to.""        

You have no clue on what you are talking about . The combo Rafale-Mica no better than second rate equipment ???
Dassault , MBDA and Thalès incompetant ??? Seriously , you haven 't got a clue Herald . 

""For the modern examples, FORBIN, the CHARLES DE GAULLE, the LAFAYETTES, and the RAFALE glare at me with their defective radars, useless rockets, bad engineering design logic, and poor system analysis choices. ""
 
Yep , you definatly haven 't got a clue . Are you aware that you , a little internet poster , is saying that the FAF is no better than second rate and that half of the MN is also second rate , are you aware of this ?
Then , don 't be surprised if I call you a clown ...
 
Cheers .
 
 
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Herald12345    I stand by what I said, LIAR.   6/29/2009 12:57:56 PM
Its second rate, all of it, and its largely idiots, like you, for which you can blame for that outcome. Fantasy by fantasists needs to end sometime.
 
Herald
 
 
 
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Bluewings12       6/29/2009 1:42:08 PM
You are a Clown , Poseur 3 .
 
Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    Now I have ammunition.   6/29/2009 1:58:20 PM
Where is your discussion FACT, poster?
 
We have the fact that you are a proven liar.
 
We don't have any fact that indicates that you know what you discuss.
 
When I reduce you to the level of unfounded invective as that is all you have left to say, that means I've won on ALL fronts. 
 
Don't you realize this yet, poster? 
 
Apparently like honesty and competent science understanding; this FACT too eludes your comprehension.
 
Herald
 
 
 
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Bluewings12       6/29/2009 2:35:53 PM
I 'm sorry clown , but you said that the FAF and half of the MN was second rate , not me .
Build your case as much as you want , you will still be wrong .
The FAF and the MN are not second rate .
 
Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    I already did.   6/29/2009 2:40:11 PM

I 'm sorry clown , but you said that the FAF and half of the MN was second rate , not me .

Build your case as much as you want , you will still be wrong .

The FAF and the MN are not second rate .


 

Cheers .


You are just too stupid to understand how I did it.
 
 That makes one datum point for clueless idiot
 
Herald.
 
 
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Bluewings12       6/29/2009 7:20:47 PM
Go away troll .
 
Cheers .
 
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