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Subject: 2009 displays of the F-22 and the Rafale
Bluewings12    6/24/2009 5:03:48 PM
Let 's watch them first :-) The F-22 h*tp://www.air-attack.com/videos/single/cAhL7lJCk4I The Rafale : h*tp://www.dailymotion.com/user/ministeredeladefense/video/x9ma8h_demonstration-du-rafale_news Both aircrafts are pulling nice stuff . Rafale only does it twice faster . Explaination and details to follow . Cheers .
 
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Beryoza       7/12/2009 5:55:55 AM

And both the AESA and Meteor is offered for exportation.

There is no doubt that with a powerful new AESA, Meteor, and improved engines, the Rafale will, like the Typhoon, be a very formidable fighter. It will still be inferior to fifth generation aircraft, but to any other contenders it will be a serious threat.
 
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gf0012-aust       7/12/2009 6:19:00 AM

Knowledge in a specific area has nothing to do with IQ.
and adults don't even consider raising the issue of their IQ in a public forum .  people either demonstrate competency by their capacity to comprehend and articulate the issue - and demonstrate that they understand well known concepts - or they're pretenders

appealing to authority by claiming a high IQ is a desperate appeal to cement credibility.

It's lame 
 
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Seagull       7/12/2009 7:58:13 AM
The last Reactive's message is "lame", because it was 100% made of personnal attack, and had no reason to be on the board.
 
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Reactive       7/12/2009 12:36:44 PM

The last Reactive's message is "lame", because it was 100% made of personnal attack, and had no reason to be on the board.

I saw Herald posting "i don't think BW is an idiot" and for a moment had a minor cardiac arrest, however, I then noticed he was quoting BW himself, who is, thus far, the only person here who is of the firm opinion that he is not a buffoon.
 
It was just that if there was any doubt left in the minds of the poor readers out there who have to trawl through his fantasies in order to get to people who know what they are talking about, it gave them some form of data as to the level of respect people have for his posts. 
 
And he's made entire threads in order to belittle someone.. so apologies to have an "unconstructive" posting, but consider how many constructive postings there have been, and how much they have effected a change in his posting behaviour.
 
But, for the record, he isn't an idiot, in his own opinion, which should give you some sort of insight here.
 

 
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Herald12345    Goes to credibility.   7/13/2009 4:35:08 AM

Knowledge in a specific area has nothing to do with IQ.

BW claimed to be a tank expert.a software code trouble shooter (beta tester?) and claims an IQ of 145. Draw your own conclusions; but I aimed at something very specific that has nothing to do with intelligence or knowledge, it has to do with honesty. 
 
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Blue Apple       7/13/2009 8:31:38 AM
With the greatest of respect, I think you are missing the points Herald has made. EVEN for the terminal intercept, the difference between proportional and predicted lead methods. I have a diagram that illustrates this but it won't let me upload an image "check posting rights".
 
With proportional lead, you follow what is a "curved" path towards the object, that is less efficient than taking a direct vector in a straight line towards a predicted intersection point.
 
With all due respect, your use of non-standard terms is what is causing the confusion here. Google "proportional naviagation". You'll also find that it is used by pretty much all IR & RF missiles in the end game.
 
You don't make constant corrections with pronav, the path is more or less straight (until your target starts manoeuvering).
 
Pursuit guidance is the law that makes a missile follow a curved path to a moving target.
 
Consider how sidewinder got its name, its continual course-corrections.
 
Sidewinder got its nickname because of the lack of fine control over its control surfaces (they were basically all-or-nothing). It means that in the closed-loop system, the gain of the feedback step (missile moving to correct the bearing deviation) was too high, leading to oscillations. The problem was solved a long time ago.
 
 
I'm not dismissing the Rafale as a threat, it's deadly if used correctly, but it needs to adopt either the AMRAAM or Meteor (or both) in order to be truly competitive in the BVR arena.
 
Meteor will be procured but it's a very expensive weapon. And missile range has not proven that useful in modern conflicts were visual ID was almost almays needed (a case where a long range video camera is a big plus). Besides MICA range is not exactly bad (it is comparable to a pre-C5 upgrade AMRAAM).
 
 
And he's made entire threads in order to belittle someone..
 
To be fair, it's not like no one else has started threads just to pile on BW too.
 
While BW does indeed live in fantasy-land where everything from France is the best of the world, some posters hare seem to live another imaginary country where everything French (and especially Thales) is the worst in the world. Two sides of the same coin IMO.
 
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Herald12345    When I say chase the image or chase the signal   7/13/2009 10:37:30 AM
across the sensor FoV I know exactly what I mean. When I say lobbed at a projected and updated intercept point along a trajectory I know exactly what I mean.


No, SARH and ATG RH missiles do not use the same track logics as IR missiles. They do not chase an image or signal across the sensor focal array with a proportional lead (the correct term) built into the signal chase. Those sensors center the signal on point since it is a radio signal they receive through an antenna. The radar missiles have a vector predict logic that is built into the guidance, not a scalar chase.logic that needs a bias to maintain point.
 
Herald
 
 
 
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Bluewings12       7/13/2009 6:39:59 PM
What I see now is "semantics" .
I never thought that posting a part of my CV would get so much attention (?) . What about the rest of my post ?
 
It has been put in the bin , as simple as that . Since the Rafale F3 seems to have some new capabilities , some just decided not to talk or debate about it , but just to , again , shoot at the messenger . By doing so , they diverted the attention from what my post was about to a very important (?) denial and personal attack : "BW is a buffoon" .
 
In France we call it "Langue de bois" (Snakes 's tongue , double talk , etc) . To put it bluntly , "forget the facts and attack the man" . Do you even understand how pathetic it is , Herald , Reactive , gf ? Then , some people dare to ask SYSOPS to ban me ? For the reason of trolling ??? C 'Mon Guys !
 
Blue Apple :
""While BW does indeed live in fantasy-land where everything from France is the best of the world""
 
This is another unacceptable talk . I never said such BS . I repeat again , what I post I can back up . 
I am not perfect and I am sometimes wrong and when it happens , I look very closely into it to see where and how I have been wrong , then I try to come back into the discussion with newer and better arguments . It is one of the reasons why I am not an idiot . Whatever you may think , I learn fast but so far , not a lot of people here on SP proved me wrong on the Rafale . Note that I said "not a lot of people" , it did happen but not often .
 
I am to the point where I cannot say anything about the F-22 or the F-35 without being called birds names !
When I say and dare try to prove that the Rafale is the best 4.5 Gen aircraft around , I get pissed on !
For God sake , open your eyes ! By now , you all suppose to know what a Raf F3 is capable of !
Just the last video I posted (the one from Thalès) should be an eye opener even for the knowledgeable poster .
 
Don 't you think ?
 
Cheers .
 
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gf0012-aust       7/13/2009 6:59:36 PM
Do you even understand how pathetic it is , Herald , Reactive , gf ? 

If herald, reactive posted their CV's on a public forum and claimed to have a high IQ - to try and cement their credibility in a debate - well, I'd hook into them as well.

So, yes, so, by you claiming expertise by academic and intellectual association when you frequently misunderstand basic concepts, misunderstand technology, use incorrect technical language, when you abuse and selectively misrepresent material makes you fair game.

Your own countrymen have indicated that you are cavalier and liberal with facts - (a euphemism for "truth")

Grandstanding qualifications and intellectual prowess in a public forum when you wash rinse and recycle everything stated in my 2nd para is lame.

Kids do it
Those who feel inadequate and need to publicly puff themselves up .

Don't behave like a prat and people will start treating you with respect.  I'm happy to do that when it occurs. 
 
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Bluewings12       7/13/2009 7:01:29 PM
One of the best comment I read so far (from Blue Apple) :
 
""And missile range has not proven that useful in modern conflicts were visual ID was almost always needed (a case where a long range video camera is a big plus)"" .
 
This is the reason why the Rafale impressed everybody at the last Tiger Meet as well as the last Red-Flag (also with its electronic gizmos and the AASM) .
The IFF is not always usuable (some decide to fly "blind" for security reasons , ECMs , ECCMs , etc) so a long range Cam to see if the target is a SH or a Flanker is of the utmost importance nowadays . This is the reason why the Rafale always fired first in the last Tiger Meet . Since the OSF TV Channel 's range is greater than the NEZ of the Mica , you understand that the Rafale pilot can trust 200% his avionics without risking a "Blue on Blue incident" .
For a Pilot , this is GREAT !
 
Now , imagine to be able to do it passively (radar off) ...
 
Cheers .
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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