As has already been explained, the reason BW receives so much disdain and insults is not because he posts something about his favorite airplane, and it's not because he posts something about his favorite national aircraft industry.  It's because he posts so much crap for years and years about his favorite airplane and national aircraft industry, crap that has been fact-corrected in great detail over and over, and yet he will turn right around and post the same crap again and again.  He even has admitted what is obvious to any unbiased observer, that is that he intentionally is skewing what he writes in order to cast his favorite subject matter in the best light he can.  To a  lot of us, probably especially military and engineers in particular, that is dishonorable behavior--and when it comes to discussing weapon systems we can abide honest attempts to share and learn, we have only scorn and contempt for dishonorable attempts to advance a personal agenda rather than just the truth.  If the subject is politics, I for one would have a different standard and could accept that everyone posting anything is to some extent advancing his personal agenda--I know I certainly do.  But not aircraft capabilities.

 

BW may go too far to write unproven assertions concerning the Rafale, but when you compare to the denial and contempt of some US posters concerning our engineering capabilities and Rafale roadmap, I would think is less biased than a lot of its ennemy here.

A lot of US posters consider as granted some capabilites of F35 because somebody has published something, while F35 is not even operational and deny French ability to implement same capabilities (even we do not publish so much in advance like USA).

BTW, I consider F22 by far the best fighter available.Maybe Rafale can do better concerning some flight manoeuvers in WVR, while F22 could do better on other flight manoeuvers but overall F22 is a class above Rafale.

But it doen't mean Rafale is a sitting duck as a fighter.

 

 

Other customers though?

-want a much better radar and an IRST that works (preferably a pod-the Russians will get Damocles in quantity before France does?!?!?).

-want better A2A missiles.

-want a MUCH BETTER jet engine.

-want a better price.

-and a MUCH BETTER BUILT PLANE.

"BW may go too far to write unproven assertions concerning the Rafale"

"A lot of US posters consider as granted some capabilites of F35 because somebody has published something, while F35 is not even operational and deny French ability to implement same capabilities (even we do not publish so much in advance like USA)."

Wow, hehehee and hahaha - and "we will always be the superior power of the world" ... seems to me that your posts are not significantly different in quality as Bluewings - right ? Listen Kiddie, fortunate for you your military leaders seem to see situations in a realistic way - maintaining superiority is not only a matter of technology but also a matter of money.

 

I am a ground guy. So please execuse me if I am asking to get qualified answers (like Heralds) in areas where I do not have first hand informatio - however I do not think that I have to be associated with BW or anybody else just I have a French name, especially not by a kiddie who probably never has gotten his ass off his warm couch. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder what BW expected with such a thread <rolleyes>

Anyway, Herald got me curious with his mentions of the D520 and Dunkerque-class BBs. More so as I've only read good things about those before. 

D-520 defects.

Aircraft engine, air frame, wing chord, absolute performance limits. Only good thing about that design was the aircraft armament. The fact that the Grumman Wildcat tore it apart in the air should tell you something.

 

Dunkerque, main armament quad mount was defective and badly laid out. AAA defense was a joke, propulsion plant defective, armor protection, her best feature, was poorly thought out being poor against dive bomber air attack, (same defect as was the Yamato, the float bubble was not well enough subdivided, nor was shock mounting well thought out)  Fire controil was very inferior to both Italian and German referent enemies.

 

Just off the top of my head you understand........... 

   

   

Don't want to threadjack but these threads always seem to evolve into more than just the Rafale.

 

I know the Dunkerque class was fatally flawed because they used face hardened armor on the turret roofs but what were the problems with the D520 fighter and the Richelieu class?  Most observers think highly of both.

As for the D-520 that aircraft had a nasty habit of not being able to hold a turn snapping out of control and refusing to point in the turn, no matter how much aeleron and rudder correct was applied. That is known as an EXPLOIT which Luftwaffe pilots gleefully used.

Clearly there is only one choice for resolving this.

 

The US needs to declare war on France, so we can have some F-22 slam some Rafales around like ping pong balls.

"The US needs to declare war on France, so we can have some F-22 slam some Rafales around like ping pong balls."

 

That is what is so stupid about all of this.  It is about nothing but some ignorant truck driver's misguided pride.  There isn't even a remote chance the US is going to fight France, and there is only the tiniest of chances they will ever even need to consider fighting a Rafale.

 

IF we somehow ended up fighting an export customer of the Rafale it would never be in a way that would satisfy anyone.  The days of aerial jousting in full view of the Western Front have been gone for nearly 100 years now.  We would shower the country in question with every kind of precision stand-off weapon in our arsenal.  We would jam the heck out of every radar and radio in the country.  We would fight with overwhelming numerical superiority and the best trained and most experienced personnel in the world.  In short, it wouldn't be a fair fight. 

 

Rather than just accepting that his country has built a very good aircraft that reportedly fits their requirements, bluewings insists on trying to "prove" that the Rafale is something it just isn't.  When he can't win an argument with facts or knowledge, he just lies, or repeats stupid myths over and over again.