Warpig :

LOLLLLLLLLLLL....... Everyone on this board knows you can't answer because you have no answer and/or the answer shows the rafial for what it is in a comparison for computing power against the F22. That would be a like comparing an old x486/266mhz  home pc processor with 4 mb of ram to a modern day Core i7 3.33GHZ chip with 16GB or ram lol lol Quiet honestly, from a computing stand point, the rafail is more of an antique then I had ever actually thought it was. It may have nice pretty displays in the cockpit, but thats all the hell its got. You never should have went down the road of comparing the rafails computing power to the F22 BW.

Feel free to post any links you may have to the computer processing power of any of Frances so called top line fighters any time. And don't bother posting them if all they say is computer A is  X times faster then X and X is also French which also gives no actual numbers.

This thread was first about dogfighting abilities , then we recently switched to BVR combat and passive BVR combat .

 

This brings something to mind : WVR versus BVR .

We could all find some old and recent studies on how the next air war could be fought . Some are saying that BVR combat will set up the rules in A2A combat (AESA radars , long range EM missile , C4s , etc) while others are saying that WVR combat will still be where aircraft are going to engage each other . Basically , 2 different views and 2 different schools .

 

When you think profondly about it , you quickly find out that it depends on the situation at hand . The first criteria is who is against who ?

A SH (with or without AWAC) will fight a Fulcrum BVR because it has a great edge over the Mig and can fire first with almost impunity .

A Mig-21 (Bison) will try to close on an Eagle and wax it WVR .

It all depends . 

Now , if we look at every studies from the last 50 years (from Vietnam Era to today) talking about missile kills , the WVR missiles are leading by a HUGE margin (something like 50 to 1) . Even the official reports from GW2 and the Kosovo/Serbia Campaign shows a ratio well in favor of the IR missiles .

Like many other posters here , I have the datas so there is no need to post them again .

 

Now , look at how the various "big" Airforces are trying to use their assets . Being "discreet" is today 's word and being "stealthy" is the top . All the "big" Airforces have now AWACs and good to excellent C4s . To make it short , penetrate in enemy territory unseen with the help of Air controlers flying safely behind . Everybody does it .

Now , a "discreet" or "stealth" intruding force will try its best to keep its EM emissions as low as possible , obviously .

That intruding force might not even use its own radar means but rely on mission flight plan and C4s to make its way in .

So far so good .

 

Now , if the opposition (the Defender) is using the very same technic , well : we are all going to fight WVR when we 'll see each other .

If everybody is silent , only the human eye , the IR systems and the Optical systems can help to find the other .

I think that you start to see where I am going . How many aircraft have a decent to good FLIR , IRST or Optical systems ?

Quite a few when you think about . I don 't want to name them all , but there are indeed quite a few .

***(The Rafale is not leading the pack , unfortunatly . Only few F2s have the full OSF F2 (with a weak IR imagery) , the Raf F1s don 't have anything and few F3s have the long range TV . What a mess ...

As it stands , our actual best Rafales can only rely on a 100km range TV cam if the weather is alright and in daytime and on the IR Micas at up to 35-40km for "light" IRSTs . This is far to be good enough (cursing) .

That was just to say that the Rafale is not finished yet .

On the other hand , Rafale has a very good LRF and the IR missiles to go with when the enemy is totally silent and it can fire passively at 40km . The OSF-IT and later OSF-NG are going to give the capabilities the Rafale needs .)***

 

I don 't dismiss BVR fighting , I just wanna say that in some case "passive" means can give the edge in BVR and can also help to force an enemy to go WVR , where the Rafale shines .

 

Cheers .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why do you call me an idiot reactive ?

 

Cheers .

Reactive :

I want to know and see official links to the computing power of Frances current newest fighter, whatever the name you choose to call it by. Again, links that actually SAY what it is (real honest to God numbers) and not this crap X times faster then X nonsense!

 

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You already know the answer Beazz : a bit over 1000MIPS as it stands .

And as it stands , your best is 723MIPS .

 

Cheers .

Beazz , that doesn 't mean anything and you know it .

Let 's talk about something more relevant please .

 

Cheers .

Why is the rafale underpowered in current form?

 

Why does the rafale have an underpowered radar?

 

Why is the rafale yet to be purchased by any other country?

 

Why does the rafale not supercruise?

 

Why is the operational ceiling of the rafale 10 000 feet less than the F22/Typhoon?

 

Why does the rafale have exposed rivets?

 

Do exposed rivets and panel-seams have implications for the RCS of the rafale?

 

Is there any correlation between your love of Rafale and your nationality?

 

Do you believe truck-drivers are qualified to offer analyses of the potency of A2A platforms?

 

Do you accept that your views on the rafale are those of an enthusiast, rather than an objective viewpoint from an expert, does your lack of relevant experience/knowledge/training in this area limit your ability to discriminate between systems?

 

-1) Why is the rafale underpowered in current form ?

 

It is not , the AdA and MN are perfectly happy with the actual engines . During the many foreign evaluations , nobody but the UAE asked for a 9.5tons thrust engine . Since you ask , the reason is that the UAE wanted to be able to carry 3 Apaches/Scalp missiles instead of 2 with the usual fuel and missile load and in hot weather . This is a scoop .

 

Flat out LIE BW. As is being *used* on the F22 is that ~723 x 2 (TWO) goofball which is clsoer to ~1450. Docs show in plain english each of those TWO can be increased to 2000 by simply plug and go and a 3rd also is ready to be installed for an additional 2000 any time the USAF so desires it.

 

Watching you wiggle and squirm is more fun then I ever dreamed!