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Subject: 2009 displays of the F-22 and the Rafale
Bluewings12    6/24/2009 5:03:48 PM
Let 's watch them first :-) The F-22 h*tp://www.air-attack.com/videos/single/cAhL7lJCk4I The Rafale : h*tp://www.dailymotion.com/user/ministeredeladefense/video/x9ma8h_demonstration-du-rafale_news Both aircrafts are pulling nice stuff . Rafale only does it twice faster . Explaination and details to follow . Cheers .
 
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Blue Apple       8/28/2009 4:56:56 AM
What definition for fuze will be used?

An interesting question but if you start including all external devices in the fuzing chain as "fuze", you'll end up qualifying the inertial reference system in an ASMP nuclear missile as a "fuze" (as it tells the nuclear charge when to detonate).
 
Personally, I draw the line at the parts that are needed for the fuze to work in its most basic configuration.
 
the FBM21 didn't work at China Lake.
 
Source? As far as I know FBM 21 has not been tested outside France yet.
 
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Herald12345    You are ,mistaken as in all things.   8/28/2009 8:44:58 AM

What definition for fuze will be used?



An interesting question but if you start including all external devices in the fuzing chain as "fuze", you'll end up qualifying the inertial reference system in an ASMP nuclear missile as a "fuze" (as it tells the nuclear charge when to detonate).

 

Personally, I draw the line at the parts that are needed for the fuze to work in its most basic configuration.

 

the FBM21 didn't work at China Lake.
 

Source? As far as I know FBM 21 has not been tested outside France yet.


The GERMAN fuse had to certified for the Paveways (which it failed in testing) , and that means Raytheon had to try it out HERE. Try to keep up, kumquat.

Herald
 
 
 
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Blue Apple       9/1/2009 9:42:24 AM
The GERMAN fuse

So German it's called the Fusée de Bombe Modulaire...

The GERMAN fuse had to certified for the Paveways (which it failed in testing) , and that means Raytheon had to try it out HERE.
 
So you admit you can't provide a source.
 
You know, repeating the same lie a thousand times won't make it any truer or you any less of a liar.
 
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Herald12345    FJV provided tour source five pages ago.   9/1/2009 10:53:54 AM

The GERMAN fuse



So German it's called the Fusée de Bombe Modulaire...



The GERMAN fuse had to certified for the Paveways (which it failed in testing) , and that means Raytheon had to try it out HERE.

 

So you admit you can't provide a source.

 

You know, repeating the same lie a thousand times won't make it any truer or you any less of a liar.

Now quit wasting everyone's time.

Herald
 
 
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FJV    Still a weird thread   9/1/2009 12:08:49 PM
Strange that no-one seems interested in why you would move the fuse from the tail position to the midway position or add a midway fuse to a bomb.
 
After all placing the fuse at the tail where it is as far away as possible from where the bomb will impact would be my first choice of where to put the fuse.  Keep the fuse as much as possible away from those huge stresses the bomb will experience during impact.
 
My hunch would be that the fuse got moved because of (standing) waves in the bomb's shell. Think of the bomb shell as a weird shaped church bell that gets struck really, really hard during impact. The "ringing" could cause accelleration sensors in the fuse to go haywire.
 
My hunch for having 2 fuses in different positions, because in some situations the midway postion is in a (standing) wave maximum and in some cases the tail position is (depending on frequency).
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Herald12345    LEARNED SOMETHING.   9/1/2009 12:29:28 PM

Strange that no-one seems interested in why you would move the fuse from the tail position to the midway position or add a midway fuse to a bomb.

 

After all placing the fuse at the tail where it is as far away as possible from where the bomb will impact would be my first choice of where to put the fuse.  Keep the fuse as much as possible away from those huge stresses the bomb will experience during impact.


 

My hunch would be that the fuse got moved because of (standing) waves in the bomb's shell. Think of the bomb shell as a weird shaped church bell that gets struck really, really hard during impact. The "ringing" could cause accelleration sensors in the fuse to go haywire.


 

My hunch for having 2 fuses in different positions, because in some situations the midway postion is in a (standing) wave maximum and in some cases the tail position is (depending on frequency).


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought it was a transverse force in the shockwave pro0blem, bit that makes more sense.
 
 
And for the liar, BA......
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RAF Readies Paveway Precision Weapon for Service

By andrew chuter
Published: 31 Jul 14:58 EDT (18:58 GMT)
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LONDON - Britain's Royal Air Force (RAF) is almost ready to field its latest air-to-surface weapon following completion of operational evaluation trials July 22 at the U.S. Navy's China Lake air warfare center in California.

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The Paveway IV could see action on the Harrier in Afghanistan.

The Ministry of Defence expects to get Raytheon System's Paveway 4 precision-guided weapon into service later this year after trials dropping 14 bombs from a RAF Harrier GR9 completed the test program, and demonstrated that the program's fuse problems had been overcome.

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The weapon could "potentially" be deployed on the Harrier in Afghanistan before the aircraft type is replaced on the front line by Tornado GR4 strike aircraft in spring 2009, according to MoD project leader Capt. Howard Holdsworth.

Within the next two months, "several hundred" Paveway 4s will have been delivered to the MoD, Holdsworth said.

To date, the Harrier is the only strike aircraft in the RAF inventory cleared to operate with the weapon. Integration is currently under way on the Tornado GR4, Typhoon and Joint Strike Fighter.

Paveway 4 should have been in service last year, but the Thales Missile Electronics-developed all-electronic fuse suffered significant performance shortfalls during capability trials at China Lake in April 2007.

That led to a major redesign of the fuse along with changes to a large number of components, according to Phil Jones, the managing director of Thales Missile Electronics.

The cooperation between the MoD, Raytheon and Thales to overcome the problems in such a short time was a "remarkable achievement," Holdsworth said.

Paveway 4 uses a 500-pound Mk82-type warhead with dual-mode laser and GPS guidance. The Aurora fuse is fully programmable with height-of-burst, post-impact and delay arming options.

Raytheon System's precision systems director, Tobin Touchstone, said the company is already looking at growth options for the weapon and has s
 
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FJV       9/1/2009 3:11:58 PM
I have to restate though that it is only a hunch.
 
This means that I have to leave the possibility open for someone with a demonstrable better reason for adding an extra midway fuse to change my mind.

After all they don't include me on the list of recieving Paveway design documents.
 
 
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Blue Apple       9/3/2009 3:04:28 AM
 FJV provided tour source five pages ago
 
For heaven's sake, I've already pointed that this is an article about the AURORA fuze, a UK program led by Thales Missile Electronics which has nada, zero, niets, nothing to do with the FBM, a French program led by Thales Munitronics & Microtechnics.
 
 
Strange that no-one seems interested in why you would move the fuse from the tail position to the midway position or add a midway fuse to a bomb.
 
Maybe because there simply is no midway fuze (fuze as "explosive detonator") and Herald is making things up?
 
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Herald12345       9/3/2009 3:21:22 AM
 
 
Who is making things up?
 
 
 
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Blue Apple       9/4/2009 2:39:41 AM
"What does the Aurora do? And what FUNCTION was tested in that article again?"
 
"For comparison purposes MAFIS."
 
 [sigh] Once again you're tackling an area you have near to zero knowledge, make some wild interpretation based on some kind of fundamental misunderstanding of the technology involved. You then expects people to answer your "challenges", hoping to make fun of them if they don't provide the answer you expect.
 
Of course it's impossible for a normal person to provide such answers as he/she would have to:
1) be as fundamentally wrong as you about the matter involved
2) share your warped thought process in order to make sense of your vague, cryptic comments
 
And even if your bluff is called (which I have no intention of doing as discussing UK fuze programs is simply not germane to this discussion about French weapons and systems), you'll still be able to modify your position, moving from one item to the other; all the while being able to bury the people trying to understand what you  mean under a copious amount of insults and other verbal abuses because you've been "clever" enough to avoid making any specific claim in your posts.
 
(As everyone can see, this time we've got two large pdf linked and no mention of a specific page. The troll has learned his lesson and sharpened his skills.)
 

Who is making things up?
 
Obviously, the person who states that issues in a fuze designed in the UK means that another fuze designed in France does not work.
 
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