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Subject: 2009 displays of the F-22 and the Rafale
Bluewings12    6/24/2009 5:03:48 PM
Let 's watch them first :-) The F-22 h*tp://www.air-attack.com/videos/single/cAhL7lJCk4I The Rafale : h*tp://www.dailymotion.com/user/ministeredeladefense/video/x9ma8h_demonstration-du-rafale_news Both aircrafts are pulling nice stuff . Rafale only does it twice faster . Explaination and details to follow . Cheers .
 
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usajoe1       7/29/2009 6:46:56 PM
 see that Joe is back again with his usual BS . The BS I have responded to many times but the man is coming for more .
Great !
You 're ready Joe ? You 'll better be ;-)
 
I never went anywhere liar!
 
""1) How come all of the Rafales competitors have more powerful Radars today. SH, Typhoon, SU-30/35/ F-15E?""
 
First , power is not everything = Rafale 's actual PESA RBE2 sees first the SH , Typhoon and F-15E/K .
 
Lie! show me a official document that proves this, and no, a Dassault documnet is not credible on this issue because of the reasons that Rufus and me posted eariler.

"The combat-proven F/A-18E/F Super Hornet delivers cutting-edge next generation multi-role strike fighter capability that is available today, outdistancing current and emerging threats well into the future. The Super Hornet has the capability, flexibility and performance necessary to modernize the air or naval aviation forces of any country."
h*tp://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/fa18ef/docs/EF_overview.pdf
 
"Gripen IN is the most technologically advanced fighter aircraft in the world. Gripen IN is equipped with futuristic warfare technologies developed specifically for India and will be the first of the new generation, multi-role combat aircraft to enter service."
http://www.gripen.com/en/GripenFighter/The+Future+is+Gripen+NG/Gripen_NG_for_India.htm
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http://www.gripen.com/en/GripenFighter/The+Future+is+Gripen+NG/Gripen_NG_for_India.htm
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" target="_blank" When I visit the Typhoon web site it says; "Nothing Comes Close", so I should believe that the Typhoon is the best right.
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The SU-30 is still an unknown quantity because the Indians at the latest RedFlag did not use the radar to its best and the Rafales did not get much from it . The SU-35 is also an unkown quantity .
" target="_blank"   " target="_blank" Lie! Do you know about the capabilities of the N011M Bars and Zhuk radars they are both much more powerful than the RBE2. " target="_blank"   " target="_blank" What matters Joe , is RCS .
You seem to think that "Power" = better detection . Well , not really you see . I explained few post earlier what the equation Radar vs. RCS was and if you want me to explain to you some more , I will do with pleasure .

I know that radar power alone those not = better detection. I know that the Rafale has a better RCS than the Sukhoi and the Eagle, but this is not what I was talking about liar, I just pointed out the fact that the SH, Sukhoi, Eagle and the Typhoon all have more powerful radars!

Now to respond to your question (the way you want me to) , I will only say that the PESA RBE2 is good enough for what the Rafales are doing right now .
 
LOL! Yah ok kid!
 
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usajoe1    I don't know why this part of the post got jacked up, but here it is   7/29/2009 6:54:37 PM
The SU-30 is still an unknown quantity because the Indians at the latest RedFlag did not use the radar to its best and the Rafales did not get much from it . The SU-35 is also an unkown quantity .
http://www.gripen.com/en/GripenFighter/The+Future+is+Gripen+NG/Gripen_NG_for_India.htm
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" target="_blank" Lie! Do you know about the capabilities of the N011M Bars and Zhuk radars they are both much more powerful than the RBE2. " target="_blank"   " target="_blank" What matters Joe , is RCS .
You seem to think that "Power" = better detection . Well , not really you see . I explained few post earlier what the equation Radar vs. RCS was and if you want me to explain to you some more , I will do with pleasure .

I know that radar power alone those not = better detection. I know that the Rafale has a better RCS than the Sukhoi and the Eagle, but this is not what I was talking about liar, I just pointed out the fact that the SH, Sukhoi, Eagle and the Typhoon all have more powerful radars!
 
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usajoe1    forget it   7/29/2009 6:57:23 PM

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usajoe1    forget it   7/29/2009 7:00:59 PM
 it hasn 't been built to be discrete .
Is that another word for France can't build a true stealth fighter like this
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Bluewings12       7/29/2009 7:04:11 PM
Joe , there is nothing correct in your last post (garbage) .
To respond in kind would take the time I haven 't to give you , sorry . I only respond to people who have a reasonable knowledge or do not show any stupidly put bias .
 
Cheers .
 
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usajoe1    Or even the best European fighter   7/29/2009 7:06:30 PM
here is the best in Europe
 
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Bluewings12       7/29/2009 7:08:06 PM
Joe :
""Is that another word for France can't build a true stealth fighter like this""
 
I am sure we could if we had the money and our RAM coating wouldn 't fall into pieces like yours do .
Our doesn 't .
 
Cheers .
 
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usajoe1    Give up Liar!   7/29/2009 7:09:05 PM
Joe , there is nothing correct in your last post (garbage) .
To respond in kind would take the time I haven 't to give you , sorry . I only respond to people who have a reasonable knowledge or do not show any stupidly put bias .
 
That is what I thought LIAR! now go play with people in your own league kid!
 
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usajoe1    LOL!   7/29/2009 7:11:29 PM
 
Joe :
""Is that another word for France can't build a true stealth fighter like this""
 
I am sure we could if we had the money and our RAM coating wouldn 't fall into pieces like yours do .
Our doesn 't .
 
I'm sure toohttp://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emwink.gif" align="absMiddle" border="0" alt="" /> when they do then come talk  to me kid!
 
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Bluewings12       7/29/2009 7:14:32 PM
Joe , with that load the Typhoons will not go very far , lol ! This is a brochure picture and not a War load .
 
This will go very far with a better load and far more discretely than the Typhoon :
 
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Cheers .
 
 
 
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