I wish that the US posters would have talked this way during the Korean and Singapore deal ... They would have understand why the Rafale finished first but lost the deal .

Another lie from a guy who is full of them. Where is the proof that shows the Rafale finished first?
 

I would be interested in any links you have got regarding this?

What would be included in that price? I assume no parts, training etc?

 

 

Lowest price I've seen for the Rafale is 64 mln EURO, assuming airframe only, which is a tad more than 70 mln USD.

IMHO that's still extremely low, even though that's 2008 prices, as numbers built are definitely not on the Rafale's side.

 

The F-16 block 50/52 offered to Marocco around the same time cost about 100 mln USD each, although that was with all the bells and whistles regarding support equipment, training, integration, logistics, ferry service etc.

Considering there are 4000+ F-16s built, numbers alone should make the Rafale a lot more expensive then any F-16. 

For comparison; look at the Japanese version of the F-16; although it's development was aided by LM it eventually cost 4 times what a F-16 would have cost the Japanese, amongst others thanks to low production numbers.

 

usajoe :

""I wish that the US posters would have talked this way during the Korean and Singapore deal ... They would have understand why the Rafale finished first but lost the deal .

Independent of Dassault.

 

Otherwise that statement^1 is discounted.

 

^1 Lie. 

FyingDutchman :

""I would be interested in any links you have got regarding this?

""Dassault filed for an injunction this month demanding details of South Korea's two-year evaluation. The French firm maintains it offered cheaper, better technology than Boeing. A ruling due by early May might overturn the decision.

"Just to clarify, on which points was the Rafale judged superior against the Slam Eagle (an aircraft which is clearly a mature combat system supported by a vast production run)? Not to mention that it actually has a fully operational avionics package and ECM suite, in addition to longer legs, a second seat, higher performance, and a heavier warload."

 

This is nothing but an internet myth spread by a handful of Rafale obsessed message board "experts."

 

The F-15 was selected because it was far and away the best performer of the group.  Here we are years after the selection, Singapore has already received their first F-15SGs complete with all advertised features and France is still waiting on a targeting pod for the Rafale, won't have an AESA available until 2012, and won't have a helmet mounted sight until who knows when.(and these are just some of the missing features) 

 

Not only that, but even when the Rafale finally gets the rest of these standard features... it will still be in a completely different performance class, especially as a long range interceptor and striker.   Its AESA radar is extremely small and short ranged, especially in comparison to that in the F-15.  It lacks the F-15SG's IRST and superior missiles and it simply lacks the F-15SG's range and carrying capacity.

 

h*tp://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/publications/cyberpioneer/weapon/2008/dec08_weapon.html