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Subject: first export sale for Rafale
FCUS    6/19/2009 4:50:01 AM
The Rafale is going to be the UAE AF new plane. The UAE government just sent the "technical and operationnal specifications" to the french gov. The UAE wish to acquire 60 Rafale of a more modern version than the one used in France, with for example more powerful engines and radar. This new version, which we will call tranche 4 (Rafale F4), could one day also be in service in the French AF. This is good news for Dassault. With one export order, the Rafale is more likely to be chosen in Switzerland and Brazil where he was the favourite.
 
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WarNerd       6/20/2009 3:19:19 AM

The only reason you go and trade in your fleet of largely brand-new, top-of-the-line Mirage 2000-9s for Rafales is because you are doing the French government a favor.

Or because it is the only way you can get anything back on an investment in a POS that they bribed someone into signing off on.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       6/20/2009 4:39:08 AM
I think that purchasing the best fighter that they can afford is a smart move on the part of the UAE and I think that as a non-aligned state not only purchasing from one source such as the US is also smart. There is nothing to say that they might only fight Iran or Syria in the future, what if there was ever a conflict with Saudi Arabia with all of their modern gear with the US backing the Saudis? Just because their governments are on good terms now doesn't mean that it will always be the case and it takes a long time to integrate a new fighter into an airforce if circumstances change. Being able to trade the Mirages for the Rafales sounds like a pretty sweet deal and is probably why they don't seem to be seriously considering competitors such as the Typhoon and the Gripen.
 
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usajoe1       6/20/2009 5:11:43 AM
I think that purchasing the best fighter that they can afford is a smart move on the part of the UAE
The best fighter they can afford? The Rafale costs more than any of its competitors, and is not even the most capable bird form the bunch. The UAE F-16's are more capable than the Rafales. As I pointed out earlier, This is political, nothing more, nothing less.
Sarkozy-I know you guys don't really need it, but look at every thing we are doing for you, can you please buy some.
UAE- sure we got money to throw away, oh and you have to buy back our Mirage 2000's
 
 
 
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RockyMTNClimber    "Show Plane"   6/20/2009 2:51:27 PM
Look closely at the cockpit and fuselage behind the Sheik. It has all of the fit and finish of a middle school metal shop project completed by a 12 year old. The paint looks tired too. I'd be ashamed to release this photo if I was Dasault.
 
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Photo comparison   6/20/2009 3:26:30 PM
This is a picture taken off of Global Security.org of a FA-18 built in the '80s. Note the quality differences in the finish around the cockpit. You don't have any sheet metal edges (uneven edges on the Rafale), and you can't see the rivets.
 
 
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Aussiegunneragain       6/21/2009 4:51:45 AM

I think that purchasing the best fighter that they can afford is a smart move on the part of the UAE

The best fighter they can afford? The Rafale costs more than any of its competitors, and is not even the most capable bird form the bunch. The UAE F-16's are more capable than the Rafales. As I pointed out earlier, This is political, nothing more, nothing less.

Sarkozy-I know you guys don't really need it, but look at every thing we are doing for you, can you please buy some.

UAE- sure we got money to throw away, oh and you have to buy back our Mirage 2000's

 

 



Whatever dude, I have no desire to get into a shouting match with the wannabie fighter jocks of the FBR irrespective of their nationality.
 
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usajoe1       6/21/2009 5:28:35 AM
Whatever dude, I have no desire to get into a shouting match with the wannabie fighter jocks of the FBR irrespective of their nationality.
If you think this was anything but a politcal move then you are sadly mistaken. Now let me ask you some questions.
 
1)What other air craft is the UAE considering?
 
2)Why would the UAE need any new fighters? their force of F16 block 60's and Mirage 2000-9's are more than capable of providing Air Superiority over its rivals.
 
3)Do you think it's a coincidence that France opens a new base in UAE, has some sort of a defense pact with them, and all of the sudden UAE fills like they need to buy 60 Rafales?
 
4)Do you think every defense deal, whether American, French, British or Russian, etc... is done with only capabilities being taken into account?
 
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mabie       6/21/2009 9:35:03 PM
If the deal is ever signed, then a sale is a sale though it is apparent that buying back the older platforms excluded any serious competition. Let's see how the rafale fares in a more competitive arena.
 
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Bluewings12       6/21/2009 10:06:19 PM
I will not go the political way as it is obvious to everybody , granted .
Now (usajoe) :
""Do you think every defense deal , whether American , French , British or Russian , etc ... is done with only capabilities taken into account""
 
I wish that the US posters would have talked this way during the Korean and Singapore deal ... They would have understand why the Rafale finished first but lost the deal .
 
Cheers .
 
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Monksta       6/21/2009 10:25:15 PM
 
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