first export sale for Rafale

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StobieWan 6/19/2009 7:14:07 AM

I'd be really interested in seeing a link to a firm announcement of a deal - because all I can find is an announcement on the 26th May 2009 saying the UAE is "seriously considering" a deal.

Ian

The Rafale is going to be the UAE AF new plane. The UAE government just sent the "technical and operationnal specifications" to the french gov.

The UAE wish to acquire 60 Rafale of a more modern version than the one used in France, with for example more powerful engines and radar.

This new version, which we will call tranche 4 (Rafale F4), could one day also be in service in the French AF.

This is good news for Dassault. With one export order, the Rafale is more likely to be chosen in Switzerland and Brazil where he was the favourite.

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FCUS 6/19/2009 7:37:44 AM

no official announcement because there is still no firm sale.

They agreed on the product, now they have to agree on a price (another part of the export process)

*ttp://secretdefense.blogs.libe... (in french)

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french stratege 6/19/2009 8:56:00 AM

It is a good new for France.

Dassault is only a supplier.

The good new is that UAE are satisfied with technical specifications.

They are a rich client who want the best of the best available on amrket and can go american like for F16E if we do not supply the right stuff.

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french stratege 6/19/2009 8:57:36 AM

It is a good new for France.

Dassault is only a supplier.

The good new is that UAE are satisfied with technical specifications.

They are a rich client who want the best of the best available on market and can go american like for F16E if we do not supply the right stuff.

Or even Russian or British.

So it shows that Rafale post F3 is really a top fighter we expect.

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FCUS 6/19/2009 9:36:49 AM

except they are gonna get Rafale F4 (different engine and radar, among other improvements which will be co-financed by the french government)

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Rufus 6/19/2009 1:21:31 PM

It is a good new for France.

Dassault is only a supplier.

The good new is that UAE are satisfied with technical specifications.

They are a rich client who want the best of the best available on market and can go american like for F16E if we do not supply the right stuff.

Or even Russian or British.

So it shows that Rafale post F3 is really a top fighter we expect.

What a joke

What this deal proves, if it goes through, is that the UAE is happy to piss away a bunch of money on equipment they don't need if they think it will make them a new friend.

This isn't a competitive deal. They aren't even pretending to consider other planes. France opened up a little base in their country, so France gets to sell them some overpriced fighters they don't need.

This deal simply has nothing to do with actual requirements or capabilities. The UAE already has the finest inventory of fighters in the region. If they can't defend themselves from 30 year old Iranian jets with F-16 Block 60s and Mirage 2000-9s, then they aren't going to be able to defend themselves with Rafales either.

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duplex 6/19/2009 1:32:53 PM

Looking again, I see errors in premises of some French posters,

UAE just said they would buy the RAFALE..This is a long story and doest mean it is a deal..A letter of intent is not a contract..

1-SNECMA will have to invest hundresds of millions of Euros in new engines..

2-UAE wants AESA which would be available in 2012

3-The deal is contingent upon France buying M-2000's back..

4- The last but not least..The question of Price..

All these must be negotiad first..Remember,Marocca and Libya wanted to buy RAFALE as well!

So if this deal goes through, it will come to effect no earlier than 2013..If you ask me, it is like a first parole hearing of a serial killer after 10 years of incarceration, could go either way.,

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Bluewings12 6/19/2009 9:44:35 PM

Nothing has been signed yet .

Rufus is making some good points ("This isn't a competitive deal. They aren't even pretending to consider other planes") but this :"so France gets to sell them some overpriced fighters they don't need." , I do not understand .

The Rafale F3 with AESA comes at a good price ($72 millions) and the F4 (?) version 's price is not known at this time .

""This deal simply has nothing to do with actual requirements or capabilities""

This is simply wrong , it has everything to do with capabilities .

The UAE are not getting the Rafale to simply replace the M2000-9 fleet (while it is a good move) but to make sure to have the absolute edge on Iran . The Rafale is a much better aircraft than the M2000-9 (obviously) and the F4(?) version (without the nuclear capability) will be a formidable foe .

Duplex :

""1-SNECMA will have to invest hundresds of millions of Euros in new engines..""

False , the M88-3 wanted by the UAE has been running for ages and is ready to put into production .

Cheers .

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usajoe1 Political move 6/19/2009 10:38:05 PM

""This deal simply has nothing to do with actual requirements or capabilities""

This is simply wrong , it has everything to do with capabilities .

The UAE already have the most capable fighter in the region, the F-16 Block/60. That is at least 2/3 times better than any thing Iran or Syria can throw at them for now. If it had to do with capabilities they would of orderd more of this fighters, even though they do not need more at the moment. This is political, nothing more, nothing less.

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Rufus 6/20/2009 2:47:07 AM

"This is political, nothing more, nothing less."

Exactly, internet kiddies will try to pretend this is something it isn't, but this has nothing to do with capabilities.

The UAE's threat nation is flying crap. A fully upgraded F-14 or Mig-29 could be formidable, even a F-4 could be dangerous if it had the right upgrades, but that isn't what we are talking about here. Most of Iran's front-line aircraft haven't been upgraded in 30 years.

The only reason you go and trade in your fleet of largely brand-new, top-of-the-line Mirage 2000-9s for Rafales is because you are doing the French government a favor.

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