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Subject: F-22 pulled from Paris Airshow
DarthAmerica    6/16/2009 10:36:39 PM
PARIS (Reuters) - The U.S. Air Force has pulled its premiere F-22 fighter jet from the Paris Air Show, citing other demands on its time, said a spokesman for Lockheed Martin Corp, which builds the Raptor.

Spokesman Christopher Trippick said on Monday that the F-22 also would not make an appearance at the Royal International Air Tattoo, the world's largest military air show, to be held next month in Britain.

The F-22 made its first international air show appearance at the Farnborough Air Show last year, a 12-minute flight that generated a great deal of buzz. It also flew at the Royal International Air Tattoo.

Trippick said the Air Force decision was based on availability, but had no further information.

But European industry executives said there might have been concerns over whether the stealth plane would be exposed to radar trying to unlock its secrets.

Lockheed's F-117 stealth fighter made an appearance at the 1991 Paris Air Show, but two years later, the Clinton administration boycotted the appearance of any U.S. military aircraft at the show.

One industry executive, who asked not to be named, said the French government had reportedly used its ultra low-frequency, long-range radar to track the aircraft on its approach to the airfield, sparking concerns among U.S. officials.

The Obama administration said in April that it would only order four more of the radar-evading fighters, capping production at 187 planes.

Some U.S. lawmakers are pushing to repeal a law banning exports of the aircraft to keep the production line running a little longer.

But Air Force Chief of Staff General Norton Schwartz last week said F-22 exports also faced other significant obstacles, including the cost to protect or remove classified equipment from the aircraft, and a likely break in production before any exports could be approved, which would raise the cost.

Industry executives said the U.S. government may have decided it would be imprudent to bring the fighter to the air show, since the export ban is still in effect and especially since Defense Secretary Robert Gates has told close U.S. allies like Japan that it is not for sale.

(Reporting by Andrea Shalal-Esa with additional reporting by Tim Hepher in Paris; Editing by Lisa Von Ahn and Maureen Bavdek)
 
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Bluewings12       6/23/2009 9:07:09 PM
JFKY :
""I do not compare you to Hitler .
Well Actually you DID, when you said he had an ego worthy of Hitler....that would be a comparison...you are comparing Herald's ego to that of Hitler's, which is a comparison...you have found the two ego's COMPARABLE...""
 
Well , yes but I was NOT comparing Herald to Hitler . I never meant that .
Nonetheless , Herald has indeed a huge Ego .
 
Cheers .
 
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Lynstyne       6/24/2009 4:46:32 PM
For once i feel BW may be suffering unduly because of past actions.
 
now i do not wish to get embroiled an argument about insults (which it clearly was)
 
But Im willing to accept his comparison was soley of egos  and that at no time did he mean to imply Herald was a racist anti semetic sosciopath.
 
To be fair i suspect people are quick to see offence here because its BW and he tends to get up peoples noses -
 
 
so i ask in the spirit of cooperation and to prevent this degenerating into a very defensive arguments that every one chalks this to a misunderstanding and let it drop
 
 
BW  be more aware things dont allways translate to others the way you meant.
 
I recall once being on the wrong end of some real vitriol simply because i said  quote you have to admire the way he ( hitler0 can work a crowd
 
people i was with could or would not distinguish between acomment regarding his oratory skills and outright support for his policies. 
 
no amount of argument could get them to conceede  that stating he was a brilliant public speaker (which he was) did not mean l liked or admired the man.
 
For the record i find him abhorrant
 
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VelocityVector    Lynstyne   6/24/2009 5:23:03 PM

Plenty living individuals harbor oversized egos.  Politicians, media stars, athletes, business people etc.  Most anybody would instantly recognize comparisons to them.  So when a frequent SP poster raises the spectre of Hitler and triggers Godwin you have to know the poster intended to communicate information that goes well beyond inflated ego, in fact, some pretty horrific attributes.  I think stooping to this level renders such poster a bottom 1%er.  There just isn't a need for it. 0.02

v^2

 
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Bluewings12       6/24/2009 6:07:45 PM
After reading your posts , Posters  , I understand that I triggered something I did not want to .
I sincerely apologize to everbody and especialy to Herald . Herald , I never meant to compare you to A.H .
 
Sincerely , Fred .
 
Cheers .
 

 
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Herald12345    And yet you did.   6/24/2009 10:27:07 PM

After reading your posts , Posters  , I understand that I triggered something I did not want to .

I sincerely apologize to everbody and especialy to Herald . Herald , I never meant to compare you to A.H .

 

Sincerely , Fred .

 

Cheers .


 




You need to reflect on what you did.and why you did it. I am sure that you mean your apology but only because now you want to avoid the bullseye and stigma you put on your own back. I don't think an apology (which  I accept pro forma) is going to save you from the cpnsequences of your own actions here. I harp on persoinal responsibility and owning your own mistakes and taking responsibility for them because they are your mistakes. Better you confess tour error and admit you are wrong than have someone like me come along and deal wuth you.
 
As for ego, I have a healthy one. I don't think that you have an idea of just how healthy. See I can admit mistakes.and bias.
 
ATTEND:
 
Foran  example of my bias, I have a huge one against individuals who have a chip on their shoulder because they think that they are unfairly treated because of their class, or nation, creed, or so forth when they have no factual grounds to have such a refusal to accept responsibility for their ownh faulires as an individual in a specific case..
 
I also have a bias against those too stupid and stubborn to shut up and learn and of course those who LIE.
 
Those are my faults. I admit them. I also make some factual errors and I can't type, but I try to get the important stuff right and when I make a mustake and I find it before someone else, I admit it, rather than let it sail on through. My last example of this  was on the Australua board when I got the dates for introduction of two ship classes wrong and miscalculated a buy schedule using those wrong dates.
 
So while I accept your apology, I understand exactly what motivated it and why you had to offer it   I want you to know that, poster and to know clearly that you are not dealing with some gullible fool.
 
Herald

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Plague 043    to herald   6/25/2009 12:17:26 AM
im new to posting on this board but i have read sp for a while. ive been keen to read your posts because i LEARN when i do. while i dont always agree on everything you say politically i respect you for putting yourself out there and explaining why you believe wht you do. your honesty and and emphasis on "meaning what you say and saying what you mean" is really appreciated from myself, and from what i can tell many others on sp.
 
 
Respect
 
 
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