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Subject: F-22 up-down link
Bluewings12    5/14/2009 6:52:38 PM
NO bashing intented ! I am just curious :-)

I read :
""Due to security considerations, the access to information provided by some of the most advanced sensors currently available in theater is highly restricted. For example, intelligence and situational picture generated by F-22 Raptors cannot be transferred to F-15s, F-16 or AWACS even if both units are participating in the same operation. As stealth aircraft, F-22s are not equipped with conventional datalinks such as Link-16 which can be easily spotted by enemy SIGINT. Instead, they use a unique stealth-qualified, narrow-beam Intra-Flight Data-Link (IFDL) designed to relay data and synchronize a situational picture only among the Raptors. As this stealth datalink is incompatible with all other communications devices, Raptors cannot communicate with any friendly aircraft.""

This is probably the reason why we did not see any Raptors participating at meetings like RedFlag , this is unfortunate . Obviously , there is a "for the time being" solution with :
""For the first time F-22 sensor data was down-linked to the Combined Air Operations Center (CAOC) using a tactical network. In a previous test performed as part of JFEX08-2 earlier this year, images were transmitted from an F-22 to an F-16 via a ground based gateway.""

Ok , that 's a big improvement then :
""Our F-22s took a huge first step toward becoming net-enabled in JEFX08. The pilots were sending and receiving information such as command and control messaging, imagery, airspace updates, and free text messages using a pit touch-screen color display," said Mark Jefferson, director of Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Horizontal Integration. "They stayed pretty busy conducting offensive counter air and destruction of enemy air defenses air dominance missions as well as dynamic targeting attacks with F-16s and non-traditional ISR collection events during the exercise, while also simultaneously piping classified sensor data to the CAOC."""

This is nice and it works but what would happen if the CAOC or the BACN gets hit ? The enemy is expected to go at them first (and at the transmitting AWACS) . Will the F-22 get a standard up-link like link-24(32) ?
If not , the F-22 will not be able to communicate with anyone and that would be a shame .

Cheers .

Cheers .
 
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Phaid       5/14/2009 7:17:48 PM
This is probably the reason why we did not see any Raptors participating at meetings like RedFlag , this is unfortunate.
 
Except that as you well know the F-22 has been participating in Red Flag exercises for several years now.
 
In any event, the most likely long term solution is that they will use another platform as a relay.  Using the CAOC as the relay was a proof of concept, but there is no reason that another platform, such as an AWACS or even a UAV couldn't be used.
 
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Bluewings12       5/14/2009 7:33:53 PM
Herald :
""Except that as you well know the F-22 has been participating in Red Flag exercises for several years now.""
 
Yes I know but we weren 't there , we couldn 't spy on it ;-)
 
""Using the CAOC as the relay was a proof of concept""
 
I understood and I appreciated it .
 
""but there is no reason that another platform, such as an AWACS or even a UAV couldn't be used.""
 
Indeed , but when and how ?
 
Cheers .
 

 
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Herald12345    Look again, BW your Freudian slip is showing.   5/14/2009 7:40:42 PM

Herald :


""Except that as you well know the F-22 has been participating in Red Flag exercises for several years now.""

 

Yes I know but we weren 't there , we couldn 't spy on it ;-)

 


""Using the CAOC as the relay was a proof of concept""

 

I understood and I appreciated it .


 


""but there is no reason that another platform, such as an AWACS or even a UAV couldn't be used.""

 

Indeed , but when and how ?

 

Cheers .




 





That was Phaid who answered. I already explained NODES to you two months ago.
 
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Bluewings12       5/14/2009 7:45:34 PM
Sorry Phaid , sorry Herald , ooops :-(
 
Could you remind me what you said Herald please , if you don 't mind ?
 
Cheers .
 
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