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Subject: Israel borrows MiG-29s for DACT
Phaid    5/14/2009 2:37:34 PM
According to the Jerusalem Post, an unnamed country has loaned Israel a number of MiG-29s and IAF pilots are flying them in DACT against F-16 squadron pilots.

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Israel Air Force test pilots are flying MIG 29 jets and conducting dogfights against the IAF's F-16 fighters, Channel 2 revealed Wednesday evening.

The MIG 29, developed by the soviets in the 1970s, is one of the best fighter jets used by eastern and Arab countries, as well as by Syria and Iran. It was developed to counter American-made jets such the F-16 or F/A-18.

The jets were loaned to Israel by an unnamed foreign country. The experiment is meant to prepare IAF pilots for missions where they might have to fight a foreign air-force.

"We tested them - we trained the IAF pilots against them," an unnamed IAF official said.

The IAF employs ten test pilots. The training of each costs about a million dollars, but the experience gleaned from the test pilots, the unnamed official said, "is priceless."

"You fly in places and in certain conditions in a way never attempted before," an unidentified test pilot said. "Once, a piece of the jet's body broke during an experiment but the crew managed to land it safely."

A test jet is just like a regular one, except for special sensors which cover literally every aspect of its mechanical and electronic systems and can be monitored from the ground for assessment.

An additional experiment conducted recently by the air force involved loading an F-16 with weapons to its utmost capacity, or "flight in a heavy formation," as the test pilot labeled it. The experiment was meant to measure the pilot's safety and the fighter's capability when it was carrying the maximum amount of armaments.

A jet so armed might be used in a long-distance sortie. The pilots interviewed would not name which foreign countries might be the targets of such sorties, but it was clear the main target of such an ambitious mission would be Iran's nuclear installations.

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gf0012-aust       5/14/2009 4:40:10 PM
apart from the flight training and DACT benefits, I thought Israel already had substantial material on he Mig29 from when they did a demonstrater model for the Romanians (Sniper???)

 
 
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DarthAmerica       5/14/2009 4:59:57 PM
Somebody is really beating the wardrums.


-DA 
 
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Bluewings12       5/14/2009 6:32:25 PM
Just a guess : they are upgraded Fulcrums from the Germans .
 
Cheers .
 
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gf0012-aust       5/14/2009 6:46:36 PM

Just a guess : they are upgraded Fulcrums from the Germans .

 

Cheers .



The German fulcrums were sold to Poland years ago for the princely transfer price of 1 Euro.  Thats becaue they couldn't be "gifted" so a price had to be established.
 
The Romanians were considering dropping their Mig29's after Israel upgraded their Mig21's
 
 
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sentinel28a       5/14/2009 7:32:42 PM
The MiGs might be Polish.  The Israelis have pretty close ties with the Poles, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Poles lent them a few Fulcrums. 
 
There's others, though.  Ukraine has MiG-29s as I recall.  And no one quite seems to know what happened to the 24 Fulcrums we bought from the Moldovans.
 
 
 
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Bluewings12       5/14/2009 7:52:07 PM
gf :
""The German fulcrums were sold to Poland years ago for the princely transfer price of 1 Euro.  Thats becaue they couldn't be "gifted" so a price had to be established.""
 
??? Why nobody told me ?! A Fulcrum would have looked beautifull parked alongside my 44 tons :-) 
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Cheers .
 
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sentinel28a       5/14/2009 7:57:42 PM
Yeah, but you're not a foreign air force, BW.
 
Besides, you could probably get a T-34 for close to that, and it's more economical.  Are tanks street legal in France, or is that only in Detroit?
 
 
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Bluewings12       5/14/2009 8:18:19 PM
Sentinel :
""Are tanks street legal in France, or is that only in Detroit?""
 
NO they aren 't if the drivers are civilians , lol ! Is it different in Detroit ?
 
Cheers .
 
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sentinel28a       5/14/2009 10:58:01 PM
It probably should be if it isn't.
 
 
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gf0012-aust       5/15/2009 3:49:52 AM

And no one quite seems to know what happened to the 24 Fulcrums we bought from the Moldovans.

 
IIRC Displacedjim used to have one parked out in front of his office at work...  
 

 


 
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