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Subject: B-1R Thoughts and comments...
DarthAmerica    5/13/2009 4:09:14 AM
...just for fun I thought I'd bring this up with the soon to come debate over a new bomber.
 
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WarNerd       10/29/2009 3:37:11 AM

Humm... Bomber used as Missile truck? thats an interesting concept.

If BVR combat is really gonna dominate the future, I guess the heavier playload of bomber could have some use. Bomber could carry super heavy long range missile that don't fit on any fighter.

20 ALCMs can fit on a B-1b... I guess 20 "SM-3 style" missiles would fit too. Fired from high altitude that kind of missile would have an incredible range. But some extra speed would probably be required to be effective at +400km.

I don't think that kind of capability is required right now. Bomber are very expensive and the "SM-3 style" missile would not be cheap too. That money could be more useful somewhere else.

The SM-3 is for exo-atmospheric intercepts only, i.e. long range (probably > 1000km) ballistic missile ONLY.
 
For the anti-air you want the SM-6 (in development, it is an SM-2 with the radar from the AIM-120D for terminal guidance beyond the range of the ship's radar).
 
 
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RedParadize       10/29/2009 5:45:27 AM



Humm... Bomber used as Missile truck? thats an interesting concept.

If BVR combat is really gonna dominate the future, I guess the heavier playload of bomber could have some use. Bomber could carry super heavy long range missile that don't fit on any fighter.

20 ALCMs can fit on a B-1b... I guess 20 "SM-3 style" missiles would fit too. Fired from high altitude that kind of missile would have an incredible range. But some extra speed would probably be required to be effective at +400km.

I don't think that kind of capability is required right now. Bomber are very expensive and the "SM-3 style" missile would not be cheap too. That money could be more useful somewhere else.


The SM-3 is for exo-atmospheric intercepts only, i.e. long range (probably > 1000km) ballistic missile ONLY.

 For the anti-air you want the SM-6 (in development, it is an SM-2 with the radar from the AIM-120D for terminal guidance beyond the range of the ship's radar).
 

I said "SM-3 style"...
I just picked a missile that have the similar size and weight then the ALCM. But ya SM6 fit better here.
 
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LB    B-1R   10/29/2009 12:29:23 PM
It would be interesting what could be done with a modernized B-1.  The B-1B is faster than the B-1A at low level and has a much lower RCS but is much slower at altitude due to the different inlets.  Exactly what is proposed for the inlets on an F119 super cruising B-1R?  The B-1B has an RCS of around 2.4 m squared according to what is floating around on public sources.  Might a B-1R be much lower?
 
The B-1 has three internal weapon bays.  Why mess with drag and RCS and hang AAM's on pods vs launching them internally?
 
Whatever is used as a missile truck the added range if the launching aircraft is going mach 1.6+ at 60,000+ ft is very considerable.  Moreover, to operate as a missile truck for the F-22 would seem to require supercruise so if not a B-1R than we're still talking a sophisticated and expensive aircraft.
 
One serious advantage of the B-1R would be after the missile truck role falls off it goes back to being a bomb truck. 
Whatever new bomber the USAF comes up with (medium or large) one hopes this role is kept in mind.
 
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