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Subject: Dogfight tricks ...
Bluewings12    4/22/2009 6:07:56 PM
A M2000-5 Pilot here in Dijon ~a friend of mine~ told me that He and his aircraft can leave any other following aircraft in the dust with one pass . When I asked "any aircraft ?" , he said yes and he directed me to that video :
h*tp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3424v_french-air-force-mirage-20005_shortfilms

He said to me , check from 1:12 to 1:28 .
He explained to me that the Mirage is diving instantly nose first with a negative 4Gs plunge , followed by a 6g plate then followed by an 11g 180deg turn , the end speed is close to 300 knots .
He said to me , "imagine where the bugger who is following you ends up ? NOWHERE !"

To start with , 99% of the Pilots will not plunge nose first but will make a roll to dive "against the Gs" . There are 3 reasons to do so :
#1 to avoid the "red-out" , # the FBW is not at ease , #3 you need a delta wing .
When I asked him how he could turn the situation to his advantage , his answer was simple : "keep turning high Gs left or right , depends where he went and you 'll end up behind him , if he goes vertical go vertical too , he will ALSO be in front of you"

Please , post some other nice videos of good dogfight tricks :-)

Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    You haven't brought any evidence PLG.   5/15/2009 7:37:17 AM
And unlike yoiu, when I make a mistake I try to correwct it as soon as i discover it.
 
By the rules I cannot deal with you as you should be dealt with.
 
So...........Add that last post of yours to the errors falsehoods and proven ignorance you scatter about as you post..

Herald
 
 
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Bluewings12       5/15/2009 7:54:15 PM
Herald , have you ever ask yourself who could be PierreLeGrand and what his job is or was ?
You 're not in a hurry , we can wait for you . Just think about it would you ?
 
I ask because since he came on SP , he demonstrated 2 things : he knows his business , he is a arrogant character .
He is or most probably WAS a professional , he wouldn 't talk the way he does otherwise . From what he said , I suppose that he was in the FAF , probably in maintenance or mechanics ... I might be wrong .
Nevertheless , his speeches are closer to the real world than yours are and it is showing . He knows more than you do .
 
I also know him as "Sampaix" but this is not the point , you should listen a bit more what he says , stop jumping at every word and try to read in between the lines .  Behind his harsh talk and susceptible attitude , there is a great deal of knowledge .
 
Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    Don't need to.   5/15/2009 11:53:53 PM

Herald , have you ever ask yourself who could be PierreLeGrand and what his job is or was ?

You 're not in a hurry , we can wait for you . Just think about it would you ?

 

I ask because since he came on SP , he demonstrated 2 things : he knows his business , he is a arrogant character .

He is or most probably WAS a professional , he wouldn 't talk the way he does otherwise . From what he said , I suppose that he was in the FAF , probably in maintenance or mechanics ... I might be wrong .


Nevertheless , his speeches are closer to the real world than yours are and it is showing . He knows more than you do .


 

I also know him as "Sampaix" but this is not the point , you should listen a bit more what he says , stop jumping at every word and try to read in between the lines .  Behind his harsh talk and susceptible attitude , there is a great deal of knowledge .


 

Cheers .

His falsehoods and technical incompetence, like yours, are self evident.
 
Herald.
 
 
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Bluewings12       5/16/2009 6:00:55 PM
??? Excuse me but who the f**k do you think you are Herald ???
 
You are no-one . 
 
Cheers .
 
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Herald12345       5/17/2009 6:18:43 PM

??? Excuse me but who the f**k do you think you are Herald ???

 

You are no-one . 

 

Cheers .

Zero information content from that poster.
 
Someone who has the poster properly assessed. That is who.
 
Herald
 
 
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Lynstyne       5/18/2009 5:15:09 AM
 
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Lynstyne       5/18/2009 5:31:28 AM
oops miss posted there
 
I dont know PIGs background - yes he sounds knowledgable but does appear to make some very fundamental errors. and some comments are plane bollox (poor pun intended).
 
I dont believe he ever worked maintenance or he would know that any high g manouvers including firing and dropping ordanance reduces airframe life. secondly any pilot reguarly stressing an airframe or over torqing an engine will be getting a serious arse chewing.
 
i must confess that im getting slightly frustrated that almost every french poster takes offence to every critism of rafale and then attempts to rip the typhoon apart.  I detest hypocracy
 
I for one strongly suspect that typhoons canards are where they are because thats where they were wanted (increased turning moment in pitch perhaps) and not because of bungled design.
 
 
I do wish a discussion could be had without it turning personal.
 
- now to my post - but may be in the wrong thread now.
 
F.S i am in full agreement with you that an over the shoulder shot is unlikely to hit the intended target. However when it comes off that rail and turns towards you are you honestly and truthfully going to trust to luck?? No you will break off and tha gives me room and time to manouver.
 
Hence why i see an advantage.
 
 
2 a2a and a2g similtaneous engagement, im with the majority it helps situational awareness it may help engage or evade a threat without dumping ordanance, but no sane person will continue on a bomb run and attempt to fight a2a
 
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