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Subject: Dogfight tricks ...
Bluewings12    4/22/2009 6:07:56 PM
A M2000-5 Pilot here in Dijon ~a friend of mine~ told me that He and his aircraft can leave any other following aircraft in the dust with one pass . When I asked "any aircraft ?" , he said yes and he directed me to that video : h*tp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3424v_french-air-force-mirage-20005_shortfilms He said to me , check from 1:12 to 1:28 . He explained to me that the Mirage is diving instantly nose first with a negative 4Gs plunge , followed by a 6g plate then followed by an 11g 180deg turn , the end speed is close to 300 knots . He said to me , "imagine where the bugger who is following you ends up ? NOWHERE !" To start with , 99% of the Pilots will not plunge nose first but will make a roll to dive "against the Gs" . There are 3 reasons to do so : #1 to avoid the "red-out" , # the FBW is not at ease , #3 you need a delta wing . When I asked him how he could turn the situation to his advantage , his answer was simple : "keep turning high Gs left or right , depends where he went and you 'll end up behind him , if he goes vertical go vertical too , he will ALSO be in front of you" Please , post some other nice videos of good dogfight tricks :-) Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       4/22/2009 6:08:59 PM
(What 's going on with this crap Website ???)
 
Cheers .
 
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VelocityVector       4/22/2009 6:22:54 PM

(What 's going on with this crap Website ???)
Cheers .
Why, crap-flinging.  Else perhaps you were launching virtual chaff and flares to decoy us from an actual point of contention ;>)
 
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VelocityVector       4/22/2009 6:24:51 PM

BTW you have nothing on Michael Vick in terms of dog fighting.  Trust me on this ;>)

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Bluewings12       4/22/2009 6:25:18 PM
lol ! Seriously , this Website should switch to a different software ...
 
Cheers .
 
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VelocityVector       4/22/2009 6:31:44 PM

lol ! Seriously , this Website should switch to a different software ...
Cheers .


It's a bit challenging at times (most of the times, in fact).  They need to discover Drupal.  Take care.
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Bluewings12       4/22/2009 6:35:12 PM
Drupal ?
Enlight me , please .
 
Cheers .
 
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Claymore       4/22/2009 8:30:46 PM
Was he talking about Dog Fighting with AMRAAM or AIM-9X?
 
I am pretty sure they are not afraid to make that dive. 
 
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Herald12345    A 60 g turn RAYTHEON missile has no problem.   4/22/2009 9:18:49 PM

Was he talking about Dog Fighting with AMRAAM or AIM-9X?

 

I am pretty sure they are not afraid to make that dive. 


as long as the radar or IR lock holds.
 
Herald
 
 
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sentinel28a       4/22/2009 10:50:52 PM
Can't make the link work.  Is the Mirage guy describing a variant on the split-S?
 
 
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Herald12345    No.   4/22/2009 11:04:52 PM

Can't make the link work.  Is the Mirage guy describing a variant on the split-S?

 


Hard to see it as anything but a variant of the Immelman.
 
Anyway I saw nothing there that a Falcon or a Hornet could not pace or point.
 
Herald
 

 
 
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