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Subject: F-15 SILENT EAGLE
JIMF    3/17/2009 3:51:41 PM
Anyone know anything about the F-15 Silent Eagle unveiled by Boeing today?
 
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doggtag       3/18/2009 1:50:22 PM

It's an interesting concept certainly. The internal munitions storage at the price of range, well, if it is for the middle eastern and asian markets then that is not a massive trade off.

 

I am however, skeptical about the clame that radar absorbant coating could give the F-15 as small a frontal RCS as the F-35. The F-35 of course already ahs access to RAMs as well as having an airframe that is shaped towards reducing the RCS, the idea that the F-15s old cylindrical frontal body form could match the angled surfaces of the F-35 just doesn't sit with me too well.

 

Also, given the already massive order book for the LM/BAE/NG F-35, won't that keep unit cost of the F-35 low enough to seriously trouble any attempt by Boeing to market the F-15 effectively? Not to mention other aircraft types like the Typhoon which could conceivably put dents in Boeing's proposed market before the F-15 SE is in full scale production.

 

It's a hell of a nice concept and is a very, very good looking plane though.

 

(I can't help but think of the Macross anime fighters when I look at it)


How many past discussions have stipulated on just such a platform: a reduced-signature Eagle airframe
with F-22/F-35-ish techno-enhancements rather than an outright totally new design?
Looking at the conformal storage,
it seems to me it's hinting more of a first-few-days-of-war aircraft configuration (SEAD/DEAD with JDAMs or SDBs, etc), where reduced signatures means increased survival.
Past the first week of hostilities, when all that's needed are excellent bomb trucks, the stealthier conformal carriage isn't a necessity (bring back the old-school, multi-pylon FAST packs).
 
Certainly it's aimed at current Eagle customers who don't want the logistics burden of totally converting to Super Hornet types (F-15E-types still enjoy a payload-to-range advantage where inflight refueling isn't available).
 
Perhaps,
there could be an ulterior motive here we're not seeing: even a reduced signature Eagle that's still no dedicated F-35 or F-22,
where after those first few important shock-and-awe days of a conflict, stealth (at least by US experience) isn't a necessary rerquirement when bomb trucks are,
could be an effective trump card for LM and company to keep the F-35 costs under control....
At $100M, this Silent Eagle becoming air-to-grounders offers far more payload to surface targets than any F-22 can be quickly converted to now, and surely offers superior air-to-air over any F-35 variant (the Eagle does have that large radome),
and certainly might influence the more prominent penny-pinchers among US Congressmen/women who sign off on this stuff.
 
...and as was mentioned, it's a very attractive solution to current Eagle operators who don't want a totally new log chain (possibly costing well into the billions to totally convert to Super Hornets, the only obvious next-closest-in-capability design...also a Boeing plane), can't get F-22s, and aren't necessarily asking for F-35s (the twin-seat, twin-engine safety advantage of the F-15 airframe is obvious, especially for anyone of a maritime environment).
 
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HERALD1357    This is squarely aimed at the soon to be BHO castrated USAF.   3/19/2009 6:17:25 AM
Who will be desperate soon to get any kind of new airframe to replace their aging F-15-C Eagles.
 
Japan is the other customer as well as an outside shot Boeing customer, India. Never forget the political when you factor in aircraft development!

Herald
 
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sentinel28a       3/19/2009 10:21:25 PM
Agreed, Herald.  Both Boeing and the USAF figures the Raptor's going to get massive cuts or outright cancellation, so this at least gives them some options.
 
I think it's a great idea.  And I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking Macross.  We need some VF-19s, dammit!
 
 
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John G    EF...   3/27/2009 9:22:16 AM

As well as above I can see this as a viable alternative to the EF Gripen and Rafale for all the countries who currently field F-15's and are looking for a quasi 4.5 gen fighter. Theres def a market for it.

 
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reefdiver       3/27/2009 10:19:52 AM

If they could only cram a couple of F-119 engines into it ...

 
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Rufus       10/5/2009 1:42:28 PM
Sounds like the F-15SE is progressing, with an export order in the works.
 
"Separately, Jones says Boeing is "close to reaching agreements" with foreign industry as risk-sharing partners on the company's stealthy F-15 Silent Eagle. This converts conformal fuel tanks into internal weapons bays and adds a digital electronic warfare system. The risk-sharing deals are expected to coincide with an order for Silent Eagles by the host government."
 
It also says that USAF F-15s will be receiving IRSTs among other upgrades.
 
h*tp://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/09/18/332380/usaf-adds-irst-pod-for-f-15s.html
 
 
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Bluewings12       10/5/2009 2:56:53 PM
""stealthy 15 Silent Eagle""
 
Let 's not exaggerate Gentlemen ;-)
It 's not stealthy (far from it) and not silent either . If Boeing divided by two the original RCS (which would already be better than good) , the new Eagle 's RCS is probably around 8 to 10 square meter . Twice bigger than a Mig-21 , three times bigger than a M2000 and thirty times bigger than a Rafale . Since the Rafale is not a stealthy aircraft , the new Eagle is certainly not ... stealthy .
 
Cheers .
 
 
 
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Rufus       10/5/2009 3:04:47 PM
LMAO, well... now we know what the truck driver thinks...
 

 

 
 
 
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SlowMan       10/5/2009 3:39:03 PM
@ Bluewings12

> the new Eagle 's RCS is probably around 8 to 10 square meter.

Silent Eagle's frontal RCS is indeed comparable to export grade F-35, especially if the radar blocker can be cleared for export. This is according to Korean DoD official who was briefed on both for F-X3 competition. F-35 is better in bottom aspect.

Boeing's comment makes one wonder if the export grade F-35 will be fitted with a radar blocker, since same export clearance rule applies to both F-15SE and F-35. For those questioning the difference between USAF F-35 and export grade F-35, there is already one major notable difference right there.

But the stealth level offered by both are considered to be useless in East Asia, as it will not be able to dodge Japanese and Korean radars. F-35's stealth is basically for countries like Iran and North Korea, not for the likes of Russia and China.
 
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Bluewings12       10/5/2009 3:50:06 PM
SlowMan :
""@ Bluewings12
> the new Eagle 's RCS is probably around 8 to 10 square meter(Me).
Silent Eagle's frontal RCS is indeed comparable to export grade F-35(You)""
 
Hang on ! Do I get it right or are you totally out of your mind ?! I wander (rolling eyes) .
Are you telling me that the "Export" F-35 has a 8 to 10 square meter RCS ???
Is it what you say ?!
If this is NOT what you say , you actually affirm (with which proof ?) that the so called Silent Eagle has a 0.025 square meter RCS (like the F-35 suppose to have) ???
Are you drunk ? Just asking ...
 
Cheers .
 
 
 
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