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Subject: F-15 SILENT EAGLE
JIMF    3/17/2009 3:51:41 PM
Anyone know anything about the F-15 Silent Eagle unveiled by Boeing today?
 
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Phaid       3/17/2009 4:00:40 PM
 
I particularly like the internal carriage of ordnance inside the CFTs:
 

 
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Softwar       3/17/2009 4:09:44 PM
Hmmm.... Seems that external mounted weapons and pods generate a big radar return.  Gee, seems just like yesterday I was arguing with BW about the external pods on Rafale show it to be a big candidate for an S-300.
 
Nice redesign of the tail fins to a V but still, the biggest problem with the Eagle might be its air intakes - those big square babies are going light up the sky in radar terms.  I wonder if anything was done there to reduce the signature.
 
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Phaid       3/17/2009 4:16:00 PM
Nice redesign of the tail fins to a V but still, the biggest problem with the Eagle might be its air intakes - those big square babies are going light up the sky in radar terms.  I wonder if anything was done there to reduce the signature.
 
Apparently not yet, though the Boeing rep stated that they could go with an approach similar to that used on the Super Hornet (inlet geometry shaping and signature blockers in front of the fan blades).  However the Eagle has variable geometry inlets, which would certainly complicate any kind of inlet reshaping and/or affect performance.
 
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Softwar    Agreed   3/17/2009 5:00:09 PM
Tha's what I figured ... The biggest problem would be the variable inlet but maybe there are ways. 
I am sure the South Koreans, Japanese and Saudis are interested.
 
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giblets       3/17/2009 7:02:59 PM
Boeing State that the Radar return for ground based radar will be pretty much unaffected by the changes anyway. Radar reduction air-air will be similar to that of export versions of 5th gen fighters, (what that says is revealing for both projects).
As for the price? $100Million.
 
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Bluewings12       3/17/2009 9:43:52 PM
I note :
""The new design includes a digital electronic warfare system (DEWS), made by BAE Systems, that can operate simultaneously with the aircraft's Raytheon active electronically scanned array radar.""

Excellent . I wish that the Rafale would have it by 2015 .

Cheers .
 
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leroy       3/18/2009 2:48:40 AM
Keep your idiocy in the thread we made for that purpose bluewings.
 
 
 
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Bluewings12       3/18/2009 8:46:29 AM
???
 
Cheers .
 
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prometheus       3/18/2009 9:27:28 AM
It's an interesting concept certainly. The internal munitions storage at the price of range, well, if it is for the middle eastern and asian markets then that is not a massive trade off.
 
I am however, skeptical about the clame that radar absorbant coating could give the F-15 as small a frontal RCS as the F-35. The F-35 of course already ahs access to RAMs as well as having an airframe that is shaped towards reducing the RCS, the idea that the F-15s old cylindrical frontal body form could match the angled surfaces of the F-35 just doesn't sit with me too well.
 
Also, given the already massive order book for the LM/BAE/NG F-35, won't that keep unit cost of the F-35 low enough to seriously trouble any attempt by Boeing to market the F-15 effectively? Not to mention other aircraft types like the Typhoon which could conceivably put dents in Boeing's proposed market before the F-15 SE is in full scale production.
 
It's a hell of a nice concept and is a very, very good looking plane though.
 
(I can't help but think of the Macross anime fighters when I look at it)
 
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giblets       3/18/2009 11:18:23 AM
A number of people seem to be suggesting it is aimed squarly at Japan, who have been turned down on the F-22.
I too am skeptical it is anywhere where near the RCS of the f-35, (export or otherwise), for the very reasons you point out.
 
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