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Subject: Rafale Thread
Softwar    3/9/2009 9:47:25 AM
Started with hope that BW will limit his comments here instead of in every other Fighter thread. I'll start off with:

1 - no export sales
2 - no laser designator
3 - no AESA
4 - overpriced 4th gen fighter
 
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Bluewings12       3/16/2009 5:19:03 PM
Lynstyne :
""BW
Re my suggestions to impove rafales exportability any opinion""
 
No . France is fuc**d with the Rafale , it is too late . We might get some small orders here and there , but Rafale 's life abroad is almost dead . Unless ...

Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       3/16/2009 5:34:46 PM
So far , all I can see is people responding to me and not to JP Bergerac . It seems that you all think that BW is an easier target that a Rafale Pilot (and you 're right to think so) but I can hold my ground .
 
Maybe you should squeeze JP to get some more inside views , but I don't think it will work ...
 
Cheers .
 
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HERALD1357    JP Bergerac has made some mistakes.   3/16/2009 6:00:27 PM
Its you, I dismiss completely.
 
I do not see Bergerac as UTD or accurate on US systems. Credentials you assert are not credible  Let him speak for himself,

As for you, you still are a nothing, understand?
 
Herald
 
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Beazz       3/16/2009 6:05:28 PM

So far , all I can see is people responding to me and not to JP Bergerac . It seems that you all think that BW is an easier target that a Rafale Pilot (and you 're right to think so) but I can hold my ground .

 

Maybe you should squeeze JP to get some more inside views , but I don't think it will work ...


 

Cheers .




BW,
Do you honestly think that IF the Rafale was even close to the jet you make it out to be that even in spite of the mean ole US government that it would not be selling? The Rafale has been in every major competiton for the last 10 years or so that every US a/c, Typhoon, Gripen etc. has been in and not ONE nation has chose it. No one in their right mind can honestly chalk that up to price and the big bad USA playing rough. Bottom line is if it really was all you make it out to be someone would have purchased it. Even the F22 as pricey as it is if the export restriction were lifted would have nations chomping at the bit to get it. They would be doing so because the F22 is exactly as awesome as advertised and everyone knows it and the price be damned for many.
 
Not to mention even France who makes the Rafale only has about 36 in it's air force inventory!! Why is that if it is such a game changer and second only to the F22 as you say? At the build rate of about 1/2 a month I doubt you ever see even 100 of these a/c. Lucky to get to 50 or 60 if ya ask me BW.  I also don't get how you figure the French air force is second only to the USAF. You do realize you only have 36 of those wonder planes and the USN has more fighter a/c then the ENTIRE French air force which includes your transports, EW and helos? The USN would mop the floor with the vaunted French air force IMHO and it's not even an air force for Gods sake.
 
As for NATO. I am dieing to see how long it is before France starts trying to run the show. I realize France still thinks it's a major world player. Problem is, France is the only one that thinks that BW. France just does not, and never has impressed me or anyone I have ever known.
 
Take care,
Beazz
 
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Bluewings12       3/16/2009 6:06:21 PM
Btw , picture of the AESA RBE2 :
 
h*tp://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4678/demonstratorrbe2radar2t.jpg
h*tp://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4124/testingphaserafale2.jpg
 
Rafale 's pit :
h*tp://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9046/rafalecockpit.jpg
 
F-22 's pit :
h*tp://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/f-22-raptor-16.jpg

What 's that mess ??!
It seems to be the same old gen as the Typhoon :
h*tp://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/gripen/cockpit/cockpit.jpg

Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       3/16/2009 6:20:03 PM
Isn ' it obvious to all that the Rafale 's pit is the only one who is true fifth generation ???
Since the aircraft is a very complicated aircraft , show me and explain to me why there is so few "push-buttons ???
 
How does the Jet works ? Well , the French Avionics , ECMs , FCS are just built to help the Pilot to fly the aircraft and press the trigger . All the rest is highly automated .
Any other questions ?
 
Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       3/16/2009 6:25:33 PM
Sorry , I posted the Gripen 's pit instead of the Typhoon 's (which is of the same 4th generation)
 
Typhoon :
h*tp://www.bredow-web.de/Eurofighter_3.JPG

Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       3/16/2009 6:34:22 PM
After you 've seen the pits of the F-22 , Gripen , Typhoon and Rafale , do you understand a bit better what JP Bergerac was talking about and why he (and I) said that the Rafale was such an easy bird to fly and a bird you could trust ?
 
Cheers .
 
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HERALD1357    Incompetence versus physics.   3/16/2009 6:45:43 PM
Try touching a touch screen in a shove force situation, buffoon. (pilots will understand this, you won't)
 
ROTFLMAOWIPAYID.
 
One day you will get it, but not today.
 
Engineers stick to what works.
 
Herald.
 
 
 
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Bluewings12       3/16/2009 6:55:42 PM
Herald :
""Try touching a touch screen in a shove force situation, buffoon. (pilots will understand this, you won't)""
 
Herald , it is you who are the one who look silly . Just answer this one :
(from JP Bergerac)
""HOTAS on Rafale has reached a level never seen before on French acft and we have probably reached the limit, both of room available on the stick & throttle and usability (34 HOTAS switches altogether, with several hundred multiplexed functions!)""
 
Do you really think that the FCS is only available through touch-screen technology ??? Do you think that the French did not think about G-Forces ???
You are a clown Herald ...
 
Cheers .
 
 
 
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DarthAmerica       3/16/2009 7:04:09 PM

Try touching a touch screen in a shove force situation, buffoon. (pilots will understand this, you won't)


 

ROTFLMAOWIPAYID.


 

One day you will get it, but not today.

 

Engineers stick to what works.

 

Herald.

 

 


We do use touch sensitive displays on some of our weapons systems and they work well. Very well actually. Just an FYI

-DA 
 
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DarthAmerica       3/16/2009 7:05:05 PM
Oh and said touch screen use is very widespread and used under very demanding conditions BTW. Hats off to the designers.


-DA 
 
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DarthAmerica       3/16/2009 7:05:06 PM
Oh and said touch screen use is very widespread and used under very demanding conditions BTW. Hats off to the designers.


-DA 
 
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HERALD1357    BUTT OUT.   3/16/2009 7:07:26 PM




Try touching a touch screen in a shove force situation, buffoon. (pilots will understand this, you won't)






 



ROTFLMAOWIPAYID.






 



One day you will get it, but not today.



 



Engineers stick to what works.



 



Herald.



 



 







We do use touch sensitive displays on some of our weapons systems and they work well. Very well actually. Just an FYI




-DA 


Try a touch screen in a roller coaster, Darth. You don't know what you are talking about.

Herald
 
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DarthAmerica       3/16/2009 7:11:11 PM
I have Herald while being shot at. Be careful who you tell to butt out. Your lack of any operational experience is going to expose you.


-DA 
 
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