"Unless both are in wartime modes it's almost irrelevant."

 

And even then it doesn't mean a lot.  Neither of these systems are "threat" systems for the other.  Nobody is going to waste a lot of time trying to work out effective countermeasures for a system only your allies operate.

 

(Another reason bluewing's BS about allies "winning" in training against each other makes no sense)

 

1 - no export sales -----------maybe soon

if you care to trawl through the history of rafale posts in here since 2005 (thats the furthest I went back before I lost complete interest) we've had any number of French posters crowing about how certain export sales would be - Saudis, Moroccans, Dutch, SIngaporeans, Sth Koreans etc....  If they had been less "vocal" about such a "sure thing" these sales were going to be, then perhaps this wouldn't get raised so visibly.  

2 - no laser designator ----------- according to the schedule it should have been done in early 2009, so the damocles pod may be be integrated right now

Damocles will be gold on the Malay Su-27's before its on Rafales.  The Malays seem to think that they're being used as mules for integration V&V issues

3 - no AESA ----------- incoming,link...

Still not here, though - and yet its raised as a dead cert every few posts.  This is despite the fact that not only has France reduced its build rate (ugly if costs are to be amortised) but now it's looking for an export partner (and probably any partner) to moxy up for AESA dev and integration costs as part of a fleet buy.

4 - overpriced 4th gen fighter --------- cheaper than F-22, F-35, Eurofighter, it will serve France perfectly (from military, political and economical point of views) and with its abilities, it could satisfy the requirements of a lot of countries.

I was more focused on the saw tooth paneling area.  the rivets there are "proud", and some of the seams are blistered.

I wasn't referencing the SPECTRA nodes.

There should have been some effect though-even with reduced systems. I read of no effect. Not even a warble.

 

None.

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And that should worry somebody.

 

Herald

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There is a certain degree of irony here when you consider how much we all know about the Rafale Program that otherwise if not for all the back and forth we might not know. Maybe we should get someone to like the J-10 or J-11...

-DA 

The post about the rivets is pure sarcasm.

 

DA you are totally wrong.  We don't want any Chinese or Russian Fanboys on the board defending their crap.  Since you are a serving member of the US armed forces you can look forward to being called an imperialist baby killer or worse.  The rest of us get treated to absolutely delusional ravings and far left politics.  BW isn't 1% as bad as a Russian Fanboy or "Chinese patriot."  Visit a few other boards to see the psychos in action.

No.  It is a perfectly correct comparison: two not quite mature and yet obviously equivalent airplanes.

 

BIAS would have been to claim that "SPECTRA has never been used in an active mode" when it clearly has, as the article I posted illustrates.

 

Indeed, it seems extremely strange that it takes a sale bete ricain to "discover" this fact, one would have expected the French posters to be much better informed about these sorts of developments.  Non?

That line is so tired, you know?  At some point you're just going to have to admit that your 4th gen fighter with its DJM suite with a nice marketing name is really just a slightly more au-point F-16, and be content. 

That Rafale in the Armasuisse trials was flying a prototype RBE2-AA whose performance has not been described publicly.  But doesn't it seem odd that 1) the AdlA has not agreed to re-equip its current Rafale fleet with RBE2-AA (when it becomes available of course) and 2) the only Rafales offered for sale with AESA are those that would be equipped with uprated M88s?  Tiens, tiens.

DA, I disagree.  The trade off of a few convenient links does not justify the trolling enabled.  Nothing interesting has been disclosed in Rafale discussions; I see no reason why this could change in a favorable direction with commie fanboys posting their online drivel cleared to tow the party line.  Can you name three specific technologies or tactics re Rafale that SP discussions have yieled here?  This is not a disguised personal attack, you have my respect.  0.02

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