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Bluewings12 3/21/2009 8:17:34 PM

Why when the K-Eagles or Vips Blk50s are doing great at RedFlag , it is because they are great planes but when the Rafale does great at RedFlag , it is because the sh*t french jet had some AWACs and some gently Agressors ???

And you dare say that I am Patriotic ? So , what the hell are you ???

Cheers .

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Bluewings12 3/21/2009 8:23:56 PM

gf :

""I only see a statement that ignores what Red Flag is about. There are no winners in a Red Flag event, it is designed to stress forces to proscribed training sceanrios to evaluate actions/reactions and to test doctrine as well as pilot behaviour under stressful circumstances.""

I know for GOD SAKE !!! Do you remember who you are talking to gf ?

The French always did good at RedFlag and the last one proved Rafale 's efficiency . Behind the aircraft , there is the AirForce involved and its tactics and who would actually dare to say that the French don 't have what it takes to do as good as they should and better ? ANYONE ???

Cheers .

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gf0012-aust 3/21/2009 8:30:19 PM

The French always did good at RedFlag and the last one proved Rafale 's efficiency . Behind the aircraft , there is the AirForce involved and its tactics and who would actually dare to say that the French don 't have what it takes to do as good as they should and better ? ANYONE ???

where in any of my posts on this have I questioned French operational competence and capability?

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Bluewings12 3/21/2009 8:37:22 PM

You ' ve never questioned the AdA 's ability gf , that 's true . So please , try to understand what Rafale did at RedFlag , think about it twice (or more) and you 'll see that you don 't have anything to say gf ;-)

Cheers .

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Bluewings12 3/21/2009 9:13:09 PM

More I think about it , more I think that France did extremely well with the Rafale ...

We have an aircraft superior to any F-teen , Sukhoi or Mig or any other aircraft from any European manufacturer . It can be used on Land and at Sea , it can replace all we have in our actual inventory and it is not even finished !

It only cost 56 millions Euros for the latest version while we didn 't get a single sale abroad !

France did very well (as usual) to build a Fighter on Her own . Besides running CAPs over England , the Typhoon is nowhere to be seen on any theater and is not even participating at any European exercise yet , same for Gripen .

England is for now relying on obsolete aircraft carriers and obsolete Navy Fighters while the MN has the CdG with Rafale F2s and soon F3s . The FAF is the strongest AirForce in Europe and we have so many airbases around the World that we can hold our ground against anybody short of the USA . This is good enough to us and we still are the 5th Power in this World and our independant Nuclear fire can prove my case .

Cheers .

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Bluewings12 3/21/2009 10:05:41 PM

Since we all are a bit tense , let 's cool down with a nice video . The best is at 2:15min and after .

The real amateur will enjoy the fast ride . To this day , no other Fighter can do the square dance as fast as the Rafale , not even the Typhoon who is the closest so far . The F-teens can 't even pull the Gs at that speed and the F-22 never tried yet but I am confident that It hasn 't the needed acceleration after a full roll + a 45deg turn 4 times in a row .

h*tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwpitqEM8U&mode=related&search=

Cheers .

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HERALD1357 Blunt reply to the poseur 2. 3/21/2009 10:08:03 PM

You are powerless in the face of experts and the informed, truck driver.

I know you have an inflated ego and a false pride, but let me tell you this bluntly.

1. You have no skills in subject. None.

2. You have no knowledge on topic. None.

3. You have no truth in you whatsoever.

4. You have no honor or you would have apologized for your lies.

5. You are a disgrace.

Now you try to tell your betters that they have no right to speak this truth?

You are powerless in this. Understand? Knowledge is power.

You are on the wrong side of the equations, junior.

You sum zero. I have to be polite to the subject and to the person (forum rules), but I don't have to be polite to the ongoing lie that you insist to try to pass as the truth.

Rafale is a bomb truck armed with a mediocre A2A missile, dated avionics, an average self-defense jammer, and piloted by very good pilots who try to get the most out of an overhyped pedestrian Dassault aircraft.

You, as its defender, actually have done more to harm the Squall with your damned lies, than I ever have with the truth.

You should consider that. Maybe its time for you to shut up and listen?

Herald

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Bluewings12 3/21/2009 10:11:35 PM

Sorry , it is actually a 90degree left turn after a full roll right 4 times in a row .

Cheers .

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Bluewings12 3/21/2009 10:14:32 PM

Herald (poseur3) :

""very good pilots who try to get the most out of an overhyped pedestrian Dassault aircraft.""

lololololol !!!!!!

I was expecting some crap from you , but not that crap ...

Cheers .

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Beazz 3/21/2009 10:17:20 PM

The UAE are using Vipers Blk 60 (and not the USA , only Blk 52s) but they still want to buy the Rafale to be their main Interceptor , how do you explain that ? The fact is that during evaluations , our Rafales smacked the Blk 60s and the UAE learned the difference .

Well BW I don't see it that way at all. Here's how I see the *possible* UAE sale. Your president was over there on hands and knees begging for a sale. Even so, the UAE does NOT want the Rafael as it currently is. They require several additions to it. Things that their F16's already got basically. They also require that France pay for every last bit of the R&D and any other associated costs to bring the Rafale up to standards. Then, on top of that, they also require France to buy back some 60 planes they don't want. Even after bringing the Rafale up to US standards, almost, they still will NOT buy it unless France pays to take the older a/c off their hands. You call that a sale, I call it France being played like a cheap fiddle.

Now maybe in your eyes that is an indication of how great your plane is. In my eyes it is nothing more then a nation desperate as hell to make a sell and that some lil 2 bit third world dictator nation has them by the gonads and quiet possibly trying to give France a chance to say no on their own instead of being told no like EVERY other attempt they have made to sell the jet. At any rate, it sure as heck don't make the Rafale seem like the wonder jet you make it out to be. Can't you see? Even the UAE does NOT want it as is and even after you spiff it up like their American jets, even then they want take it unless you buy up old planes they own? Tell me, how many other countrys you see buying all the old clunkers from customers just to get the sale and forced to add major capabilitys to their a/c as well to even have a shot at it? If the Rafale is even close to what you say, how come the UAE is not just saying yes we will take some and then buy them?

Face it BW, NO ONE wants the Rafale as is. Yea I know, every buyer nation on planet earth is just wrong lol Yea ok...

See ya BW

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