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Subject: Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?
Military Strength    4/15/2004 10:17:27 AM
I read an article that the Tu 160 can match the b2 spirit? in my view russia's bombers are lacking far behind us bomber capabilities. what are ur thoughts guys?
 
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B.Smitty    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   4/15/2004 11:26:10 AM
what do you mean by 'match'?
 
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interrested 2    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   4/15/2004 11:39:26 AM
Can my MPV match your Porsche?.. Really, this sound a lot like another: the top 10 bombers, 10 ten fighters etc etc.... But to answer your question, both have vastly different capabilities and are not comparable.
 
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giblets    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   4/15/2004 1:07:49 PM
Surely a far better comparison would be the Tu-160 versus the B-1b.
 
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Military Strength    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   4/15/2004 3:43:04 PM
i mean can the tu-160 compete with the b-2 spirit
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   4/15/2004 4:03:57 PM
here we go again, compete in what? appearance? mystery? use of space age technologies? stealth? speed? load out? altitude? minimum runway length? power to weight ratio - eg (like a porsche)? wing area? shade value? length? the use of LCD's? ergonomics? the list is endless... ;)
 
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Military Strength    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   4/16/2004 4:12:37 PM
compete in terms of speed, stealth, technology,flexibility, adatability, all weather conditions i mean the whole lot..which aircraft is better?? to put is short
 
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Ad    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   4/16/2004 7:39:31 PM
Well that depends. Have you got £.12 billion lying around? If not. I?d suggest you buy a few Black-Jacks instead.
 
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sentinel28a    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   4/20/2004 3:14:51 AM
No. Nothing against the Tu-160 or its crews, but the B-2 is in another class. A better comparison would be a Tu-160 against a B-1B, and I would say that the Blackjack is a little better.
 
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jacques    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   5/6/2004 7:34:28 AM
Why is the Blackjack better than the Lancer ? It's bigger but carry less bombs/missiles. Its level of sophislication is similiar to the b1a. The B1B is much more sophislicated. The only advantage the blackjack have over the lancer is its EO sensor. I'm sure the B1B can be equipted with even better EO sensor if there is a perceive need for it.
 
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boris the romanian    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   5/6/2004 9:11:49 AM
Okay, here we go again. The Blackjack will never equal the B-2 in capability (except in rain/haze, where the B-2's stealth capabilities were found to be a little lacking, if I remember correctly...). The Blackjack is also inferior to the Lancer as a bomb truck, but it IS superior to the American in a deep penetration role because it a) Has a smaller RCS. The jagged shape of the inlets coupled with reduced curvature of the fuselage gives it better LO properties (but, of course, it doesn't compare to the B-2). b) It has significantly better flight performance and range, giving it greater flexibility in that it can have a more varied flightpath to the target. In the nuclear strike role it is well enough armed for the task (12 Kh-15 "SRAMskiis + 6 Kh-55), and the LO/flight performance combo would give it a better chance than the Lancer. I know, the maintenance track record isn't spectacular, but the basic design of the Tu-160 is a sound one, and, were it built in a Western country and operated with proper maintenance schedules, it would no doubt be very much better. Haven't we discussed this before.......?
 
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Shaken    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   5/6/2004 1:49:03 PM
Good post Boris. Blackjack is a fine airframe and well-suited to the job at hand. And whoever tried to describe Blackjack as a more economical choice is out of their head. Sure, it was cheaper than the "buy twenty" cost of the B-2 (remember, US cost are loaded, not flyaway); but Blackjack was massively expensive. In fact, Blackjack is often sited in discussions of the downfall of the Soviet economy. In many ways, the Blackjack is a regrettable dinosaur from a past age. (On the other hand, it has ended up reassuring to the Russians when they are having serious problems maintaining their strategic missiles. Russia can't get critical missile guidance componants, which were made in what is now Ukrania). One factor that I think is significant in favor of the American bombers is the integration of GPS and laser guided weapons. Precision guided weapons tremendously improve the effectiveness of the bombs being dropped and have opened up entirely new uses for the bomber platforms. Also, improved communications gear allows the bomber to become a dynamic player in the tactical battlespace. (Using a B-52 as a CAS platform sounds ludicrous, but it is working really well). The expansion of heavy bombers into tactical roles is a dramatic change that makes these expensive platforms viable again. (The post cold-war demand for strategic (nuclear) deep penetration bombers is basically zero). This discovery is what is fueling development of the FB-22 and discussions of B-3. Of course, these sort of systems COULD be integrated into the Blackjack, but for the moment it is a clear US advantage in both technology and direct experience. -- Shaken - out --
 
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fullamongo    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   5/6/2004 3:39:04 PM
Would i be right in saying that at 40000Kg, the blackjack has a bigger internal bomb-load.
 
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Shaken    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   5/7/2004 1:55:07 AM
Yes, the Blackjack has a greater internal load carrying ability (40,000 kg versus 34,000 kg). The B-1B's total load carrying ability is considerably larger (65,750 kg versus 40,000 kg) and has greater versatility through external hardpoints. Of course, the B-2 has a much more modest 22,700 kg internal (therefore total) weapons load. -- Shaken - out --
 
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boris the romanian    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   5/7/2004 2:01:25 AM
I'm just a little curious, how can the Blackjack with only two bays carry a greater INTERNAL payload than the Lancer, which has three. I know the Blackjack's bays are bigger, but not by much.....
 
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fullamongo    RE:Can Russa's Tu 160 match US b2 Spirit bombers?   5/7/2004 2:24:44 PM
It's a good bit bigger as far as i know. the blackjack's bays have to be bigger to hold theur huge cruise missiles. the b-1 uses a removable bulkhead [2 bays become one] to carry its smaller cruise missiles.
 
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