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Subject: Pravda - Russia Mad at China for Copying SU-27 - Chinese Pirates
Softwar    4/22/2008 9:18:38 AM
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Russia has officially notified China of the fact that the production of J11 jet fighters, which copy Russia?s Su-27SK aircraft, violates international agreements. Moscow promised to launch legal proceedings to protect its intellectual property.

Russia?s attempts to settle down on China?s arms market have been made to no avail, the Nezavisimaya Gazeta reports. Chinese pirates have entered a new level of activity. They mastered the production technology and developed the Chinese production of Su-27 analogues with a view to subsequently export the planes to third world countries.

The military cooperation between Russia and China has not been very successful during the recent couple of years. Russia?s arms exports to China dropped by 62 percent. In addition, Russia does not sign any new defense cooperation contracts with China. For the time being, the two countries simply execute the previously signed contracts, the sum of which total about $1.8 billion.
 
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displacedjim       4/22/2008 10:40:42 AM
Thanks, Softwar.  It's nice to read some cheerful news in the morning to start the day off right!  :-)
 
 
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Wicked Chinchilla       4/22/2008 11:18:38 AM
With all of the direct and obvious evidence of Chinese techology theft, especially in areas of defense, why would ANY country still even consider the thought of selling China weapons technology.  Unless the goal is to just let them copy it any country would have to be moronic not to realize it will be eventually called a J-XX or WZ-XX within a handfull of years. 
 
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Phaid       4/22/2008 1:56:48 PM
My favorite thing like that is when China was having trouble developing the WZ-10.  They had been getting some help from Denel, but evidently weren't making enough progress (or more likely Denel wasn't telling them enough proprietary information), so they finally tried to order a single Rooivalk attack heliciopter from Denel.  The South Africans saw right through it and refused the sale, and the Chinese went away after that.

It's not so much the fact that they copy stuff, it's more how blatantly they do it.
 
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Yimmy       4/22/2008 7:35:49 PM

Thanks, Softwar.  It's nice to read some cheerful news in the morning to start the day off right!  :-)

 



How is China exporting advanced and capable fast-jets to random 3rd World countries good news?  I would have thought such proliferation, although not a direct threat to us, to be bad news.
 
 
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AdvanceAustralia    Good news   4/22/2008 11:48:53 PM




Thanks, Softwar.  It's nice to read some cheerful news in the morning to start the day off right!  :-)



 





How is China exporting advanced and capable fast-jets to random 3rd World countries good news?  I would have thought such proliferation, although not a direct threat to us, to be bad news.

 

The good news is that the Russians have finally woken up and there is a rift in Russo-Chinese military co-operation. This will inhibit China's ability to produce and export advanced arms to anyone, as well as making their own.

 
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displacedjim       4/23/2008 10:04:38 AM










Thanks, Softwar.  It's nice to read some cheerful news in the morning to start the day off right!  :-)






 








How is China exporting advanced and capable fast-jets to random 3rd World countries good news?  I would have thought such proliferation, although not a direct threat to us, to be bad news.



 



The good news is that the Russians have finally woken up and there is a rift in Russo-Chinese military co-operation. This will inhibit China's ability to produce and export advanced arms to anyone, as well as making their own.


 
In addition to that, what are you talking about, Yimmy?  What FLANKERs are China trying to export?  They're still trying to figure out how to make a Su-30 clone for themselves.
 
What I hope may be good news in this is that this may indicate that while of course the Russians knew the Chinese were going to copy the FLANKER being sold to them, maybe this means that these days the Russians don't really need export orders to China to keep Sukhoi alive, and they're thinking it's not really worth it to them to sell any newer versions to China any time soon only to see China copy them in five years, and maybe whatever level of co-operation that currently exists may be throttled back for a while.
 
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Yimmy       4/23/2008 10:12:29 AM

 

In addition to that, what are you talking about, Yimmy?  What FLANKERs are China trying to export?  They're still trying to figure out how to make a Su-30 clone for themselves.
"Chinese pirates have entered a new level of activity. They mastered the production technology and developed the Chinese production of Su-27 analogues with a view to subsequently export the planes to third world countries"
 
I am under the impression that China can already produce the Flanker under the guise of the J11.  Their only stumbling block evident to me are the engines.  J11's may be basic Su27's and not Su30's, however they are still potent asets to fall into the wrong hands.
 
 
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ugadawg5       4/24/2008 6:39:55 PM
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!  I guess the U.S. Military should start filing the lawsuits against Russia for the past 60 years...
 
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