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Subject: X-47B Developments
VelocityVector    3/24/2008 7:02:12 PM
In case some overlooked this article, I republish key tidbits here. I am pleased that NG has committed significant internal funds for UCAS development and is aggressively pursing A2A capabilities to include anti-missile and DEW. Autonomous systems will refuel on their own for 50-100 hour mission durations, patrol, jam, strike and sweep other aerial platforms without human micromanagement.

Aerospace Daily and Defense Report
Northrop Crafts Multimission N-UCAS
March 21, 2008
David A. Fulghum/Aerospace Daily & Defense Report

Northrop Grumman officials are promoting their unmanned strike aircraft being designed for the U.S. Navy as a ?first-generation? unmanned combat aerial system (UCAS) with capabilities that include early missile defense intercepts.

The initial platform for a new strike fighter design is based on the company?s X-47B, but Northrop researchers are actually assembling an internal system that could fit into a variety of airframes, according to Scott Winship, vice president and program manager of Navy UCAS. The aircraft would incorporate ?marinized low observability? and air-to-air refueling as well as advanced sensors, targeting and weapons.

. . .

Next-gen stealth

?Broadband, all-aspect stealth is next-generation,? which is reflected in the cranked-kite, tailless X-47B design, Northrop?s Winship said. ?It is also sensors ? signals and electronic intelligence ? and directed energy.? Conformal antenna arrays ? eight on the top side of the aircraft and eight below ? will also contribute to low observability and provide 360-degree coverage.

Advanced air-to-air missiles are being studied as part of the BPI mission as well as directed energy and rechargeable weapons that could be carried as palletized units sized for the weapons bays? 4,500-pound payload carrying capability. Alternative weapons bay doors would be fitted with apertures for the directed energy weapons.

Northrop designers are looking for an aircraft that can fly 50-100 hour missions and that can go into the toughest, so-called fourth zone of enemy air defenses.

h**p://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=aerospacedaily&id=news/NUCAS032108.xml&headline=Northrop%20Crafts%20Multimission%20N-UCAS

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EW3       3/24/2008 7:36:03 PM
Good to see the companies going out and doing their own development on their own dime.
They must know they have a good thing going.
 
This article will give DA a woodie. 
 
 
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Herald12345       3/24/2008 8:03:32 PM

Good to see the companies going out and doing their own development on their own dime.

They must know they have a good thing going.

 

This article will give DA a woodie. 

 Article.


I'm most interested in seeing them build a tanker.and an EW bird.


Herald

 
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jessmo_24       3/25/2008 6:12:13 AM
There are a few things to point out here
 
1. 50-100 hours in the air says that its subsonic there is no way a f-22 type engine could do that on 1 tank of fuel.
 
2. Subsonic means that high end fighters can either comtempt engagement or use there extra engery to put these thing at a real disadvantage.
 
3. All of the sensors and arrays on this thing dont sound cheap and you might be aproaching the cost of a F-35.
 
4. Are we sure we are ready to put a Ucav in the air without even a man in he loop? I remember the Russians shooting down a korean airliner (or was it japanese) and Im sure russians are as smart as a flying computer. do we really want these things cruising around conus with an itchy trigger finger?
 
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VelocityVector       3/25/2008 4:52:21 PM

There are a few things to point out here

1. 50-100 hours in the air says that its subsonic there is no way a f-22 type engine could do that on 1 tank of fuel.

2. Subsonic means that high end fighters can either comtempt engagement or use there extra engery to put these thing at a real disadvantage.

3. All of the sensors and arrays on this thing dont sound cheap and you might be aproaching the cost of a F-35.

4. Are we sure we are ready to put a Ucav in the air without even a man in he loop? I remember the Russians shooting down a korean airliner (or was it japanese) and Im sure russians are as smart as a flying computer. do we really want these things cruising around conus with an itchy trigger finger?

1.  Read the article.  Autonomous aerial platforms can refuel autonomously and thus remain airborne for 50-100 hour missions.  Manned platforms of similar dimension cannot do that.  A common architecture is being developed for installation in various autonomous platforms.  Some platforms may be subsonic, others supersonic.  Some may lack A2A capability, others will have it.

2. See above.  Also, if equipped with towed decoys, autonomous platforms can pull maneuvers that manned aircraft are incapable of and this combination may open up new A2A missile defeats.  DEW may add extra capabilities in this respect.

3. You don't pay for pilots, their training, SAR, displays, ejection apparatus, O2 generation, etc.  Savings can be substantial.

4. KAL 007 was a deliberate shootdown, not an accident.  Oh, and what about pilots with itchy trigger fingers?  Recall the eagle drivers who shot down our own damn helicopters over Iraq.  Recall various naval pilots who have launched missiles and dropped bombs on their own ships.  Recall the chopper pilots who shot up our allies.  Etc.

Essentially, any information that can be presented to a pilot inside a cockpit can be processed equally or better by a machine as compared with a human.  External information, such as recognition of visual patterns, is still performed better by a human but not by as much as some might believe and the gap is closing.  (Ever hear of DSMAC?  Primative yet reliable enough that we trusted delivery of our nuclear warheads to it decades ago.) 

I trust I have addressed your points adequately and if not, why, just keep reading about the pace of autonomous platform development ;>)  Time will answer all questions fairly soon.

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