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Subject: US production in World War Two
hist_ed    3/14/2008 8:25:50 PM
I have a vague memory of reading something about US production of planes during World War Two. I think the source said that during WW2 the US built more planes than the entire world had produced up to the start of the war (1939 I suppose). Has anyone read any such thing? Does anyone have a source for quick production comparisons for aircraft prior to and suring the war?

Many thanks

 
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DarthAmerica       3/15/2008 1:59:54 PM

I have a vague memory of reading something about US production of planes during World War Two. I think the source said that during WW2 the US built more planes than the entire world had produced up to the start of the war (1939 I suppose). Has anyone read any such thing? Does anyone have a source for quick production comparisons for aircraft prior to and suring the war?

Many thanks


Long time since we talked. I'm bandwidth limited these days...;) I do remember using this site that references both ship and aircraft production...

Click and scroll halfway down

...hope it helps. Curious, is this about anything in particular?


Also, and this is open to anyone. Do you think the U.S.A. has the ability relatively speaking to produce like this today if a sudden need to do so presented itself?


-DA

 
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Herald12345    Yes.   3/15/2008 2:02:57 PM
But we'd have to ramp up over a decade, and use CND and robotics. The workforce is desperately short of skilled machinists and our tool and die primary tech base has collapsed.

Herald

 
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DarthAmerica       3/15/2008 2:03:32 PM
Sigh...one more time. This time K.I.S.S.

h*tp://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm


-DA




 
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cosmoxl_2       3/15/2008 4:36:33 PM

But we'd have to ramp up over a decade, and use CND and robotics. The workforce is desperately short of skilled machinists and our tool and die primary tech base has collapsed.

Herald

Sorry for my ignorance, but, what is CND?

If there was a world even that united Americans into all out survival I have no doubt that we'd produce better than ever.  With today's technology, how could we not?

 
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cosmoxl_2       3/15/2008 4:40:46 PM
What I'm concerned with is America's raw material production potential.  Can we still produce steel in the same volume as WW2?  What about oil?  I think we know the answer to that one...
 
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Herald12345    Computer Numericform Design and assembly is a form of rapid prototyping and production..   3/15/2008 6:24:35 PM



But we'd have to ramp up over a decade, and use CND and robotics. The workforce is desperately short of skilled machinists and our tool and die primary tech base has collapsed.

Herald


Sorry for my ignorance, but, what is CND?

If there was a world even that united Americans into all out survival I have no doubt that we'd produce better than ever.  With today's technology, how could we not?


Where you design into a computer driven machine or production process an automated process run for an object or assembly.

It can be as simple as the 5.56x45 bullet or as complex as the Virginia Class submarine.

If the US were to go whole-hog into this technology we would have a Burger King labor pool but the most advanced industrial plant on Earth as well as some of the best product.

Industrial policy holds us back; that, and the usual economic ludditism.

Herald
 
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verong       3/15/2008 11:08:52 PM
Hey Folks,
 
The USA entered WWII not able to cast turrents bigger than 30mm. It took time to build the infastructure.
 
also we built over 115,000 aircraft during WWII
 
Sincerely,
 
Keith
 
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FJV    CNC   3/16/2008 7:02:35 AM
CNC manufacturing stands for Computer and Numeric Control manufacturing. This refers to production machines that can be programmed to automatically produce any part that such a machine can possibly produce.

 
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Beazz       3/16/2008 1:01:22 PM
Herald12345    Yes.   3/15/2008 2:02:57 PM
But we'd have to ramp up over a decade, and use CND and robotics. The workforce is desperately short of skilled machinists and our tool and die primary tech base has collapsed.

Herald

I dunno but it seems to me if it would take a decade to get up to speed, then the answer to the question would have to me NO we cannot. A sudden or immediate need to me means we need it really soon and if it took a decade to get things up to speed whatever situation we are in is gonna be long since decided and over with by then. If it's not, then the need wasnt that sudden or immediate IMHO. ;-)

Beazz
 
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Herald12345    PRC bandits.    3/16/2008 3:48:38 PM
Depending on who the next Fearless Leader is, we see that freight train coming.  If we start now; we should be ready just in time.

Herald

 
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hist_ed       3/17/2008 12:07:49 AM
DDAAARRTHHH!!!   It's been awhile buddy.    Yes, I have not been terribly active of late.  Another son (born in September) a new job (and a 1.2-that's officialy 120% time for us teachers-no prep period-and its a b**ch-I do some administrative stuff that sucks time away like a black hole)
 
Anyway, the reason is the usual for me.  I am teaching world history again and am approaching the world wars (just winding up the industrial revolution).   I push the economic side of history more than most of my colleagues.   Most teacher barely mention (if at all) the astounding material advantage that US production brought to the war.  I've got figures on stuff like cargo ship building and steel production but can't find the aircraft figures, so that is what I was looking for.    I also, unlike many colleagues, paint an accurate picture of casualty ratios.     Russian bodies and American money/production were the two things that won the war (the Brits-and I am one-brought grit, rhetoric and pig headed stubborness-had Churchill not said "screw it we'll fight no matter what" then it would have been a very different war). 
 
Anyway, Spring break approaches.  Maybe I go in to a posting frenzy.    I bought a new pistol and have been fun with it at the range-great stress relief.   
 
And I finally gave up on bikes.   Fatherhood and all.  When the kids are all 18 or so I'll get a boring full dress Harley.  
 
Cheers   hist_ed
 
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FJV       3/17/2008 3:04:52 PM
If it's fast you want, then just refurbish the planes you have stored in the boneyard.

As for shortage in competent technical personell, there is a Dutch economy expert that thinks that this going to be the reason for the next economic recession.



 
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Armchair Private       3/17/2008 6:03:30 PM

If it's fast you want, then just refurbish the planes you have stored in the boneyard.

As for shortage in competent technical personell, there is a Dutch economy expert that thinks that this going to be the reason for the next economic recession.



FJV

I was going to ask for a link as that sounds interesting, but I guess it's not available in English?
 
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LB    US AC Production WWII   3/18/2008 1:39:23 AM
From 1940 to 1945 the US produced around 300,000 total aircraft of which about 200,000 were combat aircraft (trainers are important too).  I don't know how many aircraft the rest of the world produced before WWII but it's certainly less than 300,000.  During WWII about 550,000 total aircraft were produced by the major powers.  Source of all numbers is John Ellis.

Aircraft production pre war has to be read carefully given the lower weight and performance of pre war aircraft.  Pre war production was fairly low compared to wartime production for most powers.  Germany especially is often over inflated due to the need to produce trainers.

1939 Germany produced 1,476 combat ac (2,372 total) compared to 6,201 and 9,430 in 1940 vs the UK in 1939 producing 3,161 and 7,431 and 7,771 combat and 14,573 total ac in 1940. 

All these numbers are deceptive.  The US could have produced many more aircraft as production was lowered in 1944 and Germany actually ordered production lowered in the 2nd half of 1940.  Thus production numbers alone should not be used to indicate total productive capacity.  Germany was extremely wasteful of capacity- especially earlier in the war.




 
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kensohaski       3/18/2008 8:42:14 AM
I think we have thousands of aircraft sitting out in AZ do we not?  It may take awhile to make some of them airworthy but they are there for a reason....
 
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