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Subject: JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market?
Aces    3/28/2004 11:51:51 PM
I think it's the 2nd best option for a light weight fighter (no doubt F-35's the best) in Asia-Pacific region. It's a good aircraft for the replacement of old 2nd or 3rd gen. fighters like F-16, F-5 ect., with the price cheaper than F-35. It's only light wt. 4 gen. fighter in the market. It's can be used as low-end fighter togerther with high-end F-35.
 
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shawn    RE:JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market?   3/29/2004 12:29:25 AM
As I mentioned before, BAE should have started marketing the Gripen about 2-4 years ago. As is, they've lost potential sales to Thailand already (2nd hand F-16A ADF), and probably the Philippines as well. Malaysia and Indonesia have gone for the Flanker, which leaves Myanmar (arms embargo), Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam, all of which would probably buy Russian. Taiwan may be posible, if BAE is willing to court China's 'displeasure', they have over a 120 F-5s that need replacing in a few years. Maybe New Zealand, if the government there ever figures out their heads from their ....
 
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mr_rok    RE:JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market?   3/29/2004 3:19:17 AM
Vietnam already has twelve flankers (six in 1995 and six in 1998)
 
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jacques    RE:JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market?   3/29/2004 7:12:16 AM
overall the Saab Gripen is a fine aircraft. The problem is that there is no need for it. Most asian countries are not serious about their defense. With the exception of Indian and China most of them would rather wait for uncle sam to defend them. The military postures are gear toward being a junior partner to uncle sam. As a result they will most likely to choose second hand F16. F16 is a fine aircraft by any standard, even the early preowned models.
 
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Mark F    RE:JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market?   3/29/2004 7:22:56 AM
BAe has been marketing the Gripen internationally since 1996. Frankly though, I don't think Asia is the right market for it. Thailand is now and will for the foreseeable future be dedicated to American types and Gripen doesn't have the kind of range users like Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philipines would probably require. Europe, Africa and South America are much better prospects for Gripen sales.
 
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Aussiegunner    RE:JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market?   3/29/2004 2:08:39 PM
SAAB had better get its act together, if it wants to get good export sales in the worldwide(not just Asia Pacific) light-combat aircraft market. Their are 3 other types that I know of, the EADS Mako, the Indian Light Combat Aircraft and the Joint US/Korean Golden Eagle, which will provide powerful competitian to the Gripen within a few years. Given the projected 3000+ aircraft that will be needed in this class, SAAB should take advantage of being the only aircraft being offered in this class now.
 
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shawn    RE:JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market?   3/29/2004 10:01:30 PM
You left out the Chinese/Paki Super-7, prototypes already flying, and the J-10, which China may export.
 
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Mark F    RE:JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market?   3/30/2004 6:08:12 AM
The Mako and Golden Eagle are no more competitors to the Gripen than the BAe Hawk is today. And nobody is going to want to go near the LCA - the aircraft of last decade available next decade.
 
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Aussiegunner    RE:JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market?   3/31/2004 5:51:44 AM
Yes, I forgot the J-10. However, I don't really think the J-7 counts. It is only really an upgraded Mig-21, generously assessed as having the effectiveness of an F-16A. The types I am talking about are far more advanced and capable aircraft.
 
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Aussiegunner    RE:JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market? - Mark F    3/31/2004 5:59:54 AM
You are thinking from the perspective of a military, who always want the absolutely most capable type. Hoever, militaries don't get the final say on what is bought, governments do. It is quite possible that a government replacing a bunch of F-5's might decide that a Mako, Golden Eagle, an LCA or a J-10 will do the job for a considerably cheaper price. This is especially true for the Golden Eagle and the Mako, as users can use the trainer version as a lead-in fighter, reducing costs considerably. Therefore, in the global light aircraft market, these types are very much a competitor for the Gripen. P.S. I don't think the Mako in particular is to shabby on performance, compared to the Gripen. Its low-observability features, AMRAAM capability and a supersonic performance are dangerous to anyone not flying an F-22. Its the one to watch, IMHO.
 
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Thomas    RE:JAS-39 Gripen, the chance in Asia-Pacific market?   4/20/2004 7:50:57 AM
I agree very much with jaques. If you can get a preowned F-16 at a rockbottom price, why negotiate with Sweden. The spares stituation is going to be very questionable also: You can get sanctioned by the USA, Britain and Sweden - You are sure to p*ss of at least one of them all the time.
 
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