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Subject: Rafale Back To Afghanistan
Softwar    2/11/2008 9:05:17 AM
Rafale Redeploys
Aviation Week & Space Technology
02/11/2008 , page 19

The French air force is sending its Rafale F2 fourth-generation strike fighter back to Afghanistan, this time to Kandahar.

The air force moved its Mirage 2000D and Mirage F-1CR fighters from Dushanbe, Tajikistan, late last year in order to meet NATO demands for increased firepower in the southern provinces of Afghanistan and to reduce the workload on France?s overstretched tanker fleet. The French also have agreed to form an operational mentor liaison team in the southern part of the country, but have resisted sending back special operations forces withdrawn early last year.

Unlike during the Rafale F2?s baptism of fire last spring, the three aircraft in this campaign will be single-seaters?the first time the air force has used this version in combat. Airborne refueling, if required, will be from allied tankers. As before, the Rafale payload will consist only of four Paveway 2 GBU-12 smart bombs, guided by laser designators on Mirage 2000Ds or from ground TACP forces.

It had been hoped that the Paveways would be paired with France?s all-weather GPS-guided Armament Air-Sol Modulaire standoff weapon, which has ended qualification but has yet to enter operational use. Also still missing from the Rafale inventory are the Damocles laser designator pod, GBU-44 and Enhanced Paveway bombs, and digital Scarabee TACP data links, which program managers also are itching to try out on the new combat aircraft

 
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Bluewings12       2/15/2008 11:57:07 AM
Rafale C F2s and Mirage 2000Ds have arrived in Kandahar , video :
h*tp://www.defense.gouv.fr/ema/layout/set/popup/content/view/full/118572

They already dropped a couple of LGBs on some lucky Taliban martyrs ...

Cheers .

 
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benellim4       2/15/2008 3:33:52 PM
Say what you want about the French, but at least they're willing to fight in A-stan.
 
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DarthAmerica       2/15/2008 4:12:42 PM

Say what you want about the French, but at least they're willing to fight in A-stan.


Yup and the world should be thankful for that!
 
-DA
 
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DC       2/16/2008 6:28:50 PM
Nice but not good enough, what we really need is for the French to deploy a combat battalion to the south.  I'm not trying to slag off the French, I really feel they are contributing to the overall effort.  Unfortunately NATO needs soldiers on the ground more then a few Rafales. 
 
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Bluewings12       2/17/2008 5:59:57 AM
I agree that France should have more Men on the ground , we now have about 1200 men (and about 1500 Airmen and Sailors) .
Enduring Freedom is an American lead Campaign and we more or less do whatever the Americans want us to do .
It has to be noted that France has 38.000 Men fighting abroad (A-stan , Lebanon , Africa , etc) and we try to do what is needed to protect our interests .

Our problem is that N. Sarkozy inherited of a Country on the verge of bankruptcy and we simply try to keep the budget for overseas operations as low as possible without putting the lives of our soldiers in jeopardy .
We do what we can , sorry to say .
We could do much more but it would cost us more and we have some more important things to do now than to send a Bataillon in A-Stan .

Cheers .

 
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Claymore       2/17/2008 5:26:26 PM
Yep France needs to be credited that they are not afraid to shoot bad guys.

Also In defense of France, unlike other NATO nations, they are actively deployed across the world. Cannot say so for the Germans.

 
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ArtyEngineer       2/17/2008 10:18:04 PM
What really does Afghanistan need troop wise? 
 
Does it need lots more conventinal troops on the ground, more SF types backed up by CAS and the latest Artillery, more civil affairs snd engineering types winning hearts and minds, or all of the above.
 
Who within NATO should we be looking at to provide them.  I know France and Germany are top of the list, but what about the Scandinavians, the Turks, the Spanish, the Italians, the Greeks.  In a perfect world what would the folks here like to see deployed in theatre to get this job over and done with?
 
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DC       2/18/2008 4:55:04 PM

What really does Afghanistan need troop wise? 

 Does it need lots more conventinal troops on the ground, more SF types backed up by CAS and the latest Artillery, more civil affairs snd engineering types winning hearts and minds, or all of the above.

All of the above

At a minimum NATO needs to be able to maintain a permanent presence in all the villages we have fought and captured from the enemy.  NATO should not be having retake the same villages every spring . NATO needs to befriend, bribe or kill everyone in the Province's on Pakistan's border.   Finally we need to bring the fight to the Tribal regions in Pakistan. 

Nimruz, Helmand, Kandahr, Zabol, Paktika, Paktia, Khowst, Nangarhar, Konar, Nurestan, and Badakhshan
 
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YelliChink       2/19/2008 4:46:08 PM
Recent news indicates that ROC MOD is expressing interests in purchasing Rafale because GWB still doesn't want to grant the sale of 66 F-16C/D Block 52 fighters. Also in the news is that Taiwan is making most of Kang Ding frigate's spare parts cheap. So cheap that DCN wants to buy them from Taiwan to support French, Saudi and Singaporean fleet. Maybe they should outsource some of the parts of Rafale, Mirage 2000 and Leclerc to Taiwan as well.
 
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