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Subject: Rafale better than F22?
french stratege    1/16/2004 12:54:04 PM
Who is the best Rafale or F22 I compare on cost effectiveness: Explanation: According to "manchester law" , in probability , a force of 10 tank in openfield with a kill probability of 100 % against a 40 tanks opponent force with a kill probability of 25 % at the same range will lost (assuming same rate of fire and same quality crew) will loose. F22 cost more than two Rafale. F22 is equiped with AM9X and Amraam Rafale with Mica EW and IR. Mica IR/EW have same effective range than Amraam (true effective range 20/30 miles according to target load factor) while superior to AM9X in short range. Rafale is the last batch 3 version: 2*9 t M88-3 plus IRSF (long range infrared tracking multitarget device of 40 miles range) and helmet sighting. I assume that Rafale RCS is 6 time those of F22 F22 radar has range 30 % above Rafale ( both have electonic scan radar). F22 has same instantaneous turn than F22 at mach 0,7 to mach 1,5 and a lower one than F22 on sustained turn rate (10/15 %) ECM suit of Rafale is supposed to be at least as good than F22 (see my post Rafale ECM) In the combat there is two time more Rafale than F22 (according to cost).pilot are as skilled each side (don't even mention this troll idea that US pilots are more skilled, there is enough fact which shows that French pilot are as good in average) I think personnally that Rafales wing win the engagement especially in clear weather. I bet that in the same figure with the same number of aircraft each the kill ratio will be not more than 60 %for F22. Because amraam will have difficulties to lock on Rafale, as mica EW on F22 but Mica IR will have an hight probability of kill at 20 miles due to its vector trust and 50 g manoeuvrability. Especially if Rafale is equipped also with Meteor (Rafale is planned to receive Meteor in the next years)
 
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bsl    RE:F22 & Air to Ground Missions   1/30/2004 8:26:32 PM
"You see gentlemen the F22 can't be use for CAS but the Rafale will perform CAS mission just fine. Another feather to the hat for the Rafale in CAS role when comparing to the F22" Sorry. This is silly. We have two platforms: One optimized for air to air; one optimized for air to ground. Rafale will have to do both, and will be ideal for neither.
 
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bsl    RE:F22 & Air to Ground Missions   1/30/2004 8:27:58 PM
Oh, and I suppose this is a good time to mention that the next Bush budget is proposing to increase the number of F-22s bought in the next fiscal year. I suspect America will have more F-22s in service in two years than France has Rafales. And, the F-22 program is barely beginning.
 
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bsl    RE:F22 & Air to Ground Missions   1/30/2004 8:30:51 PM
Actually, the Navy and Air Force are currently developing smaller bombs to replace the bombs in service, now. Repeated actual use of new systems (Iraq, Former Yugoslavia, Iraq) have shown that current levels of accuracy substantially reduce the amount of explosives you need to accomplish typical missions. The new series of guided bombs will be half the weight of the older models.
 
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Hellfire    RE:F22 & Air to Ground Missions   1/31/2004 7:43:10 AM
When you think about it, it just take a 25lb missile to kill a tank. So there may be a lot more room left for miniaturizing a/g ordnance.
 
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gf0012-aus    French defense ministry cuts Rafale orders    2/2/2004 3:19:40 PM
The order book is getting thinner, 02/02/2004 at 09:24:16 Date line: PARIS The French defense ministry is to purchase 11 fewer Rafale fighter jets than originally planned in its 2003-08 budget, financial daily Les Echos said on Monday. Dassault Aviation will supply five Rafales this year and 10 in 2005 as scheduled. But starting in 2006 it will furnish 17 jets instead of 19 and 16 rather than 20 in 2007. In 2008 the company will deliver 17 instead of 22 planes, according to Les Echos. The reductions will enable the government to save 550 million eurosmillion dollars), according to the paper. A Dassault spokesman told AFP the company was awaiting a government decision on the matter. © 2004 AFP
 
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bsl    RE:F22 & Air to Ground Missions   2/2/2004 6:53:45 PM
Actually, you can kill a tank if you hit it from above with a good deal less than a 25 pound warhead.
 
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Hellfire    RE:F22 & Air to Ground Missions   2/3/2004 6:39:30 AM
Right.. I was considering the possibility of putting smart subminitions in UCAVs. BAT or SADARM could be good examples.. a UCAV could probably carry 30-40 of them easily.
 
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Hellfire    RE:French defense ministry cuts Rafale orders    2/3/2004 6:47:34 AM
It begins..
 
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