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Subject: Rafale AESA and Supercruise
Bluewings    3/30/2006 5:33:18 PM
Since few US posters don 't believe what FrenchStratege and myself are saying , it is time to clear ANY doubt on some important issues .

Rafale HAS an AESA radar and Rafale CAN supercruise .

#1: AESA :
"In April 2002, the DGA, the French defence procurement agency, appointed Thales to develop an active array radar demonstrator optimised for the Rafale omnirole fighter. Called DRAA (Démonstrateur Radar à Antenne Active, or Active Array Radar Demonstrator), the programme culminated in a series of demanding flight tests to validate its detection performance. Although the development schedule was
extremely tight, the DRAA met all programme milestones on time. This Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) demonstrator will pave the way to a production equipment for the Rafale.

With the adoption of an active antenna, RBE2 radar performance will be
even further increased : detection and tracking ranges will be significantly improved, angular coverage will be considerably expanded and reliability will be boosted to unprecedented levels.

Test-flying the DRAA

In December 2002, the first flight of the AESA system was carried out in a Mystere XX flying test bed belonging to the French MoD located in the Flight Test Centre at Cazaux (South-West of France). Subsequently, the DRAA demonstrator was fitted to two-seat production Rafale B301. ?For us, it was essential to prove to our customers that we could
easily fit a new array to the existing RBE2 hardware, stresses Jean-Marc Goujon, Rafale Radar Programme Manager. As such, one of the main goals of the DRAA programme was to demonstrate that the new array could easily be fitted to the B301?s current RBE2 electronic scanning radar without any modifications of the whole radar architecture. This modification was a total success, Thales and Dassault engineers being able to complete the task in less than three hours! This is a considerable achievement that proves impossible for our competitors who would have to completely redesign and rebuild their radar sets to
accommodate an AESA.? The first flight in Rafale B301
was recorded from Istres in May 2003. During the comprehensive flight test programme, the fully integrated Band X DRAA radar successfully transmitted, received and collected radar data, confirming all Thales prediction, a clear indication that the company totally masters AESA
technology "
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#2: SUPERCRUISE :
(From 2 Pilots of the 12F Squadron onboard CdG)
«The Rafale is ideal for the job, stresses one of the two duty pilots.
It can climb to 40,000 feet in under two minutes and accelerate very rapidly to supersonic speed. More significantly, it can super-cruise in dry power, even with four missiles and a belly drop tank. Endurance is excellent too, and we can stay airborne up to two hours with one tank.» The pilots also praise the Rafale?s advanced man-machine
interface which considerably reduces their workload"
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I hope is it clear for everybody .
As usual , I can upload the Pdf. file for your enjoyement .

Cheers .
 
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Bluewings    RE:Rafale AESA and Supercruise - Thrust/weight: 0.63:1   4/2/2006 11:46:13 AM
To be honest , it seems that the EJ200 does NOT allow Typhoon to fly faster or to climb faster than M88-2/Rafale . From the 12F Pilots (Fox-Three Pdf.): "with four missiles and a belly drop tank , Rafale can climb to 40,000 feet in under two minutes" From Wolfgang Schirdewahn (German Typhoon Chief Pilot) : "With one Tank , 2 sidewinders and 2 AMRAAMs , the aircraft reaches a height of 35,000ft in less than two and a half minutes." (Flug-Revue) With a full AtoA load (One central big tank and 8 AMRAAMs/ or MICAs) , Typhoon climb at around 235-240m/s and Rafale climb 250-260m/s . That is a very similar rate of climb . Max speed for the 2 Aircrafts is the same : Mach2.2 The reasons for the very similar numbers , even if EJ200 is better ON PAPER , has to do with the better Aerodynamics of Rafale . Engineerers on both side of the Channels believe the Typhoon air inlets are responsible for the small loss of performances . Cheers .
 
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Nichevo    RE:independence - you know FS   4/3/2006 6:10:43 AM
You fear that we would cut off your spares? If Iran can keep F-4s and F-14s flying, surely the French couuld maintain the US a/c were they to buy them. Plus replace anything you think is crappy or proprietary with your own homebuilt systems. A challenge. Besides, you will never design your own 5G a/c without a US plane to, comment dit-on, faire l'homage, so at least one F-35, and an F-22 if we let you, would be a good investment.
 
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Kozmik Imperial    RE:Rafale AESA made in the USA?   4/3/2006 4:27:01 PM
i'm a lil confused, since when did the US help france develop its AESA radar? i thought it was developed by thales after they conpleted a similar joint project with...i think it was britain for an airborne e-scan radar
 
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The Lizard King    RE:independance - french stratege   4/3/2006 5:09:47 PM
"the main point is to avoid a US dependancy to stay independant." And what you socialist never seem to realize is a Nation's Economy is what the true test of independance is. The Brits seems to understand this whereas the Russians did not...
 
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The Lizard King    RE:independance - french stratege ---> Foolish Behavior   4/3/2006 5:11:48 PM
What do you think would make France more independant - the Rafale or the Franc?
 
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Nichevo    RE:Rafale AESA made in the USA?   4/3/2006 5:12:13 PM
Earlier in this, or maybe another thread, it states that the T/R modules used in the French radar are US-made.
 
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hybrid    RE:Rafale AESA made in the USA?   4/4/2006 3:43:10 AM
"i'm a lil confused, since when did the US help france develop its AESA radar? i thought it was developed by thales after they conpleted a similar joint project with...i think it was britain for an airborne e-scan radar" Only AESA I can think of that France has flown is the test AESA unit where they used US high speed processing units because there wasnt any similar analog in France or the rest of Europe at the time.
 
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ajSpades    F-22 Supercruise Technique   10/11/2006 6:59:19 PM

Talking with an F-22 test pilot from Edwards gave me a lil insight into how the Raptor is able to attain supersonic speeds without the use of an afterburner.  The F-22 initially climbs to an altitude between 40000 and 45000 feet.  At this altitude the air is less dense, which produces less drag on the aircraft.  At military (approx 70-80% max power) the F-22 goes into a shallow dive, increasing its speed past Mach 1 to approx Mach 1.5.  Once the aircraft has pushed through the sound barrier the drag on the aircraft reduces, allowing military power to sustain its supersonic speed.  The Raptor is then able to return to operating altitudes (30000 - 35000 feet) while remaining supersonic.

 

This method of supercruising is not necessarily an issue of having the required power to muscle through the sound barrier and increased transonic drag.  It has been theorized that other aircraft (F-4, F-15, F-111, Eurofighter Typhoon, Rafale) may be able to "supercruise" using this technique.   However, because I am not privy to how the other aircraft may or may not be able to supercruise I cannot comment on those.    In several flight simulation games (Microsoft Flight Simulator, Janes F-15, and Lock-On Modern Air Combat) my friend and I have been able to attain supersonic flight without afterburners with an F-15 in the clean configuration and internal fuel only using the above mentioned technique.  However, these are merely simulations and cannot be relied on as how actual aircraft may be able to supercruise.

 
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Ispose    Rafale features   10/12/2006 1:07:52 PM
I especially like the White Flag Speed Brakes...saves the pilot possible injury from opening his canaopy and waving one at high speeds.
 
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MadRat       10/12/2006 10:27:49 PM
The shallow dive part of your story means Darth was wrong all this time.  It would by his definition make the F-22A a non-supercruiser... :P
 
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