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Subject: Is it wrong to love the Panavia Tornado?
skrip00    1/18/2006 10:15:37 PM
Something about that aircraft that I love. Its design is sleek, and it can truck a good bomb load. Flies low and fast and penetrates deep into enemy airspace. Kinda reminds me of a time when aircraft had to fly lower than the trees to avoid tracers and missiles to deliver bombloads on target in support of friendlies.
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:Tornado   1/19/2006 9:52:37 AM
Will almost definitely see a GR 5, maybe even higher, the GR 4 is a Mid life update, lots of life left.
 
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skrip00    RE:Tornado - They really should upgrade it!   1/19/2006 10:40:33 AM
New engines, new design... they should make a Tornado that is analagous to the F/A-18E... A new design relying on whats proven with more multirole, lower RCS, easier maintenence, new electronics, new engines, new radar, more payload. It would make a great secondary project to the Eurofighter, and a good compliment to it. Think of it as this: EU can have both aircraft for the 21st century. One for air superiority, and one for all around superiority.
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Tornado 2 - Euro Strike Fighter   1/19/2006 11:00:32 AM
By the time it comes out everyone will already have the F-35.
 
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paul1970    RE:... - HELL NO!!!   1/19/2006 1:11:44 PM
maintenance was easy on the Tornado... easy access, lots of LRUs, quick engine change...
 
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skrip00    RE:... - HELL NO!!!   1/19/2006 2:22:35 PM
So, why not redesign and reproduce the aircraft then? New engines, even less maintenence, more payload, better radar, lower RCS, etc. Like the F/A-18E. Many of you euro people like to talk about keeping the industry alive, a new update Tornado could be it... Maybe a CV variant as well. Like the F/A-18E.
 
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Heorot    RE:... - HELL NO!!!   1/19/2006 3:37:28 PM
Upgrading the Tornado should have been planned after the 1992 Gulf War. If it had been started then, then the RAF buy of F35's would have been unneccessary. As it is, it's too late now. Sad though.
 
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Heorot    RE:... - HELL NO!!!   1/19/2006 3:38:04 PM
That should read 1991 Gulf War.
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:... - HELL NO!!!   1/19/2006 3:40:24 PM
No matter what upgrades are stuffed into a Tornado Airframe, it aint gonna beat the versatility of an F 35.
 
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Iano_returns    Replacement date?   1/19/2006 4:51:26 PM
I think the Tornado is a pretty damned fine fighter-bomber (the GR for ground attack) but its meant to be horrible as a fighter-interceptor (yes I know its got AMRAAM now but the F variant was so bad at air to air even the Italians binned them!). Eurofighter for the air to air role cannot come fast enough if you ask me... But what of the future fighter-bomber? I used to think Tornado would carry on well in that slot but over on ARRSE an RAF type convinced me that a two-seater Eurofighter with "plenty of mudmoving toys" would replace it. Guess it makes sense, then all our fast jets will either be Eurofighter (F and GR) or F35 (Attack and naval version). So anyone got a date on when we will lose 'the fin' to Typhoon in ground attack? Also if we are just getting Eurofighter and F35 for our fast jets we will have NO swingwing aircraft!!! Unless we build this into the 2 seater GR Eurofighter for low level bombing work...
 
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Yimmy    RE:Replacement date?   1/19/2006 6:55:02 PM
Ian, there never has been any plan for a two seat Typhoon. Which is a shame, as I am thinking of applying for Weapons Officer (the bloke in the back seat), in the RAF, as a back-up plan to my RFA application. "No matter what upgrades are stuffed into a Tornado Airframe, it aint gonna beat the versatility of an F 35." Why is that? Wht makes an F35 so versitile that is not achievable by a Tornado?
 
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