EW aircraft and digital adaptive beamforming

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DarthAmerica RE:EW aircraft and digital adaptive beamforming 1/10/2006 3:31:41 AM

>>>why do people suggest that Europe develop a dedicated EW aircraft (like Prowler?) to counter the edge that stealth planes have over euro designs?<<< ---How so?

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perfectgeneral RE:How so 1/10/2006 3:45:05 AM

Can't find the thread. I'll get back on this.

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TheArmchairCmd RE:EW aircraft and digital adaptive beamforming 1/10/2006 3:45:39 AM

"---How so?" Could it be that PG has read this into some of the suggestions from the Where too now for European military aerospace? thread?

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perfectgeneral Where is that GD quote? 1/10/2006 4:48:04 PM

That's what I thought, on re-reading I can't find the quote that runs along the lines of 'Why don't the europeans develop their own dedicated EW platform to counter US stealth?'. Maybe I saw it somewhere else or I am cracking up. The trouble is that threads rarely stay on topic and subject headings are rarely updated to reflect current content.

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DarthAmerica RE:Where is that GD quote? 1/10/2006 4:51:48 PM

Try a google of an exact phrase including screenname and strategypage.com

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perfectgeneral Google strike! 1/12/2006 2:43:22 PM

link As such where should the European military aerospace effort be directed to extend its current qualitative advantage over all but the F-22? Should there be more investment in electronic warfare equipment(eg, dedicated jammer versions of the ECD's), to effectively level the playing field in terms of stealth? That's the quote that has been bugging me. If you can't jam a radar how can a dedicated jammer level the playing field in terms of stealth?

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gf0012-aust RE:Google strike! 1/12/2006 8:48:07 PM

"Digital adaptive beamforming (of an array radar) is supposed to make jamming impossible, " and: " If you can't jam a radar how can a dedicated jammer level the playing field in terms of stealth?" I'm either missing big chunks of comprehension - or this seems to be arse about. if you're intending to run a jamming system then you have to concurrently run it with an ewarfare lookdown platform (AWACs/AEW&Cs/SBR/SBISR) at the same time. Even if a platform compressed jamming system was available - then how is it going to deal with airborne passive collectors or ewarfare platforms like Combat Sent? If you go tyo the next stage of Combat Sent development, then that could well see a flying array of platforms like Global Hawk etc which act like scrub beaters - it's akin to active pinging a sub. sooner or later, the grouse have to come out or they get shot in the bush even if they don't try to fly away. or am I missing something else???

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TheArmchairCmd RE:Google strike! 1/12/2006 9:03:12 PM

As such where should the European military aerospace effort be directed to extend its current qualitative advantage over all but the F-22? Should there be more investment in electronic warfare equipment(eg, dedicated jammer versions of the ECD's), to effectively level the playing field in terms of stealth? I don't read this as countering stealth, but making up for the lack of stealth by other methods.

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EW3 RE:Google strike! - gf 1/12/2006 9:05:54 PM

or am I missing something else??? No GF, this thread should be dedicated to the memory (or what was left of it) of Timothy Leary. EW aircraft are not the answer to stealth. The only possible connection is if the F-22 is using it's radar (although it is LPI) you might actually see him for a second or so, then he will disappear again. Odds are that the F-22 will never use it's radar when in stealth mode and just try to pick up the reflections from an AWACs or get directions via satcom.

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gf0012-aust RE:Google strike! - gf 1/12/2006 9:15:25 PM

"EW aircraft are not the answer to stealth." I might have expressed myself badly prev. I'm not suggesting that EW aircraft are the answer - but for a non sophisticated player, they have to pull all the guns out of the armoury. that very notion alone means that whoever is searching for an F-22 has painted a big red bullseye on their platforms - and it then becomes a discretionary issue as to whether F-22 "x" or "y" elects to sanitise the threat/paint. if the F-22's are flying in a scrub beating fashion - then thats a pretty wide flying array - and in real terms a very much harder target as it doesn't include ghosting.

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